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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7597170" data-attributes="member: 6987520">In my discussion at our table yesterday, I thought I would do a poll to get some feedback from the 5E community here. Now, I am expecting certain results, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.You have two people: one has no proficiency to a skill or attack, the other is 20th level and with the highest proficiency possible. Now, remember, we are talking ONLY proficiency or not, there is no ability score bonus, magic, etc. to add. Also, I am not considering Expertise, but that is a very valid issue to consider.I can do the math, that isn't what I am looking for! I know what the 5E system says as far as how often the unskilled person will win. So again, the question isn't the math; it is your feeling, gut-reaction/instinct to the idea.In a contest between the two (out of 20 attempts each), how often do you feel or think an unskilled, non-proficient person should better a person of ultimate skill?If you don't like the options, please answer and explain your own take. Thanks to all for participating and your feedback.(EDITED to add comment about Expertise since the ability to double proficiency bonus cannot assist in attack rolls but many thanks to S'mon for mentioning it.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7597170, member: 6987520"] In my discussion at our table yesterday, I thought I would do a poll to get some feedback from the 5E community here. Now, I am expecting [I]certain[/I] results, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. You have two people: one has no proficiency to a skill or attack, the other is 20th level and with the highest proficiency possible. Now, remember, we are talking ONLY proficiency or not, there is no ability score bonus, magic, etc. to add. [I]Also, I am not considering Expertise, but that is a very valid issue to consider.[/I] [I]I can do the math, that isn't what I am looking for![/I] I know what the 5E system says as far as how often the unskilled person will win. So again, the question isn't the math; it is your feeling, gut-reaction/instinct to the idea. [B]In a contest between the two (out of 20 attempts each), how often do you feel or think an [I]unskilled, non-proficient[/I] person should better a person of [I]ultimate[/I] skill?[/B] If you don't like the options, please answer and explain your own take. Thanks to all for participating and your feedback. (EDITED to add comment about Expertise since the ability to double proficiency bonus cannot assist in attack rolls but many thanks to S'mon for mentioning it.) [/QUOTE]

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