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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 7597357" data-attributes="member: 463"><p>Very important point for understanding how 5e works! So the willowy Atlantean wizard-fighter IMC can have STR 18 because of her athletic and combat training, not because she looks like The </p><p>Mountain.</p><p></p><p>IME in 5e a very high level "PC of ultimate skill" typically has a total bonus of around +13 to +18 or </p><p>so, and often has features giving advantage on the check, and features capping the minimum roll at either their passive score or their attribute number. so eg at the high end my son's epic Barbarian-20 with magic & boon enhanced STR 30 has a minimum Athletics check result of 30 and rolls Athletics on d20+16 with Advantage. He's looking to get one of those Ioun stones that will give him +7 Proficiency. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>A more typical STR 24 Barbarian-20 would have a minimum Athletics result of 24 and roll d20+13 with Advantage.</p><p>Likewise the Rogue-17 has typical minimum or passive check results of around 25-27 in his areas of expertise, stuff like Perception Stealth & Investigation.</p><p></p><p>These are <em>actual</em> 'persons of ultimate skill' (or close to it) in the context of the 5e rules system.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 7597357, member: 463"] Very important point for understanding how 5e works! So the willowy Atlantean wizard-fighter IMC can have STR 18 because of her athletic and combat training, not because she looks like The Mountain. IME in 5e a very high level "PC of ultimate skill" typically has a total bonus of around +13 to +18 or so, and often has features giving advantage on the check, and features capping the minimum roll at either their passive score or their attribute number. so eg at the high end my son's epic Barbarian-20 with magic & boon enhanced STR 30 has a minimum Athletics check result of 30 and rolls Athletics on d20+16 with Advantage. He's looking to get one of those Ioun stones that will give him +7 Proficiency. :D A more typical STR 24 Barbarian-20 would have a minimum Athletics result of 24 and roll d20+13 with Advantage. Likewise the Rogue-17 has typical minimum or passive check results of around 25-27 in his areas of expertise, stuff like Perception Stealth & Investigation. These are [I]actual[/I] 'persons of ultimate skill' (or close to it) in the context of the 5e rules system. [/QUOTE]
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