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<blockquote data-quote="Rothe" data-source="post: 3478496" data-attributes="member: 39813">There is actually progress in my setting.&nbsp; People were less technologically and magically advanced in the past.&nbsp; For example, it took millenia to discover magic and then advance it to the highly refined and &quot;predictable&quot; state of the present.&nbsp; This went in cycles with advances and set backs, but the present is the state-of-the-art.&nbsp; There are of course myths of a &quot;golden age&quot; before history, who doesn't have those.So, even assuming the scientific method was developed, people are trying to build such things, it just takes a long, long time before it happens, as in the real world.&nbsp; Add in a little subtle influence of magic (that, e.g., makes gun powder a pretty firework but not a good explosive) a strange increase in entropy as the number of moving parts in a device increases, leading to high failure rates for complex devices, and many things can be contained.&nbsp; It's not like those in power don't know of other worlds where these things work but magic doesn't.&nbsp; In fact it's an active area of research by sages as to why there are these differences.&nbsp; Most rulers think it's a waste of time, better to spend you effort increase the power of magic, which has proven benefits.&nbsp; some also fear/hope that if technology can be made to work the magic will go away.Since I have a fairly &quot;hard to use magic&quot; campaign where only 1 in 1000 or so have what it takes to even begin training in arcane or mystical arts, the &quot;best and brightest&quot; typically fill the magic using ranks and have a vested interest in keeping magic around.&nbsp; Some species such as elves and dwarves don't know if they could even exist in a world without magic.&nbsp; The fet know they can't as well as many other species.&nbsp;&nbsp; So their are many powerful forces that want to maintian the magic status quo.&nbsp; Sure renegades exist, and they are usually secretly put down before they can get very far.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rothe, post: 3478496, member: 39813"] There is actually progress in my setting. People were less technologically and magically advanced in the past. For example, it took millenia to discover magic and then advance it to the highly refined and "predictable" state of the present. This went in cycles with advances and set backs, but the present is the state-of-the-art. There are of course myths of a "golden age" before history, who doesn't have those. So, even assuming the scientific method was developed, people are trying to build such things, it just takes a long, long time before it happens, as in the real world. Add in a little subtle influence of magic (that, e.g., makes gun powder a pretty firework but not a good explosive) a strange increase in entropy as the number of moving parts in a device increases, leading to high failure rates for complex devices, and many things can be contained. It's not like those in power don't know of other worlds where these things work but magic doesn't. In fact it's an active area of research by sages as to why there are these differences. Most rulers think it's a waste of time, better to spend you effort increase the power of magic, which has proven benefits. some also fear/hope that if technology can be made to work the magic will go away. Since I have a fairly "hard to use magic" campaign where only 1 in 1000 or so have what it takes to even begin training in arcane or mystical arts, the "best and brightest" typically fill the magic using ranks and have a vested interest in keeping magic around. Some species such as elves and dwarves don't know if they could even exist in a world without magic. The fet know they can't as well as many other species. So their are many powerful forces that want to maintian the magic status quo. Sure renegades exist, and they are usually secretly put down before they can get very far. [/QUOTE]

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