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Message: <blockquote data-quote="William drake" data-source="post: 3480403" data-attributes="member: 49143">First...real, is not fantasy. How things progressed in the real world, is in its own way, an accident. Things built upon themselves in such away that now, we think that to be the only way that science, religion, or w/e have to grow, or ever had a choice to grow and change over any period of time. That, since things are the way they are, they never could've been any other way. That is simply not the case. One thing does not always beget another. Just because you have gunpowder, doesn't mean you leap to muskets...and then on and on till we have Wark Hawk missles today, that simply isnt true. Now, about the games like Poker or w/e, that is simply a lack in the DM's creative pool; but that doesn't mean he or she is a bad DM. He could've called it something else, and it would've been the same.Also, you must understand, that clothing, or arms, or language....don't set a certain level of social growth. Think where we'd be if the Dark Ages hadn't happened? Would everything have happened the same, or would different roads bring us to mirror like, or even strangely closes aspects of our life today, yet till be differnt.And, in warfar, there is always a loop. Think about it today, we are going back to wearing armor, and for many years. WWI, and even WW2 ther was no armor wore by soliders...today that's not the case. So perhaps having swords return, or knights with riffles isn't so strange.My question to you is, how much do you know of our own history? How many times were advances tecnologies lost, then refound over and over again? How many differnt times in history were there things, which today, are considered common, but back then, were advanced?You must also consider this. IF in a magial world...who cares about coal, or oil? Your WILL is a fule that can't run out, your race lives for hundreds if not thousands of years? Need drives change, but if there is little need for change...wouldn't there be lilttle change? THink of the elves...why would they evolve...why would they care for things that really should only matter to humans? Humans need to better their lives, not elves. Men need to over come the world, while elves, and other magical-born races simply bend the world to them.You brought up gunpowder, but did you know that it was first discovered in asia? My question to you is, why didn't asia just take over? Most people think that power leads to corruption first, but perhaps, once long ago, that wasn't such...and perhaps thats why it isn't that way in fanntasy games unless the DM sees fit to make it so.OH, and about Fire balls breaking laws of science...that isn't true. Creatiing a fire ball, if put into a scientific pattern of logic could be done many ways. Say, the caster sucked out all the heat energy from the fire in the room, and drew it into the air around his hand. Once there, he manipulated the amount of oxygen within the area so that it was more likely to become flameable. With this done, the caster then sped the air pressure around his hand to the point that enough friction was created so that the heat energy, and the overdosed level of oxygen created a flame. One lit, the caster then lowered the level of oxygen so that the flame continued to burn, but didn't burn out or blow up. With this, the caster would be able to move this fire through the air, chaning and bending the laws of science to make it so that fire had the right settings to burn. And, if the caster was able to do this, it could be assumed that while he was doing this, he was also manipulation the air, so that the right amount of gasses were avaliable so that the fire continued to have something to feed upon.Transfering energy, from one form into another isn't fantsay, is science on a level that we can't do yet, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be done this way. What about being invisiable: the caster simply bent light around his body so that those trying to see him wouldn't. Now, since light wasn't hitting him, he wouldn't be able to see at all while the spell was in effect, but he wouldn't be seen by those looking for him. Now to make it so that he caster could see Xray, or inferred might take the ability to change biology so that the eye could process the light, and send the info to the brain, but if the caster could, there is no reaason that he could'nt do those things either. (but with Xray, the caster might give off a little radiation, but that too could be changed, or put safely into another form of energy to be reabsorbed into reality.)  What about shields: bending spacial rifts in pockets of gravity so that the energy within an oncomming missle was slowed, or stopped. The energy was returned back into potential energy, no longer kenetic.Same thing with floating, or flying: bending the earth's hold on you with gravity, by mastering this, the caster would be able to fly.Most everything fantasy can be explained if you think about it, and take the time too do some reading.game on.</blockquote>

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