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<blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 5020615" data-attributes="member: 52073"><p>I won't comment on your assessment of the warblade's power level, since its relative power depends on how your group plays other martial characters, but I do object to this characterization of it as some sort of "weeaboo anime class" that seems to be all over the place. The swordsage is most definitely anime-inspired and Eastern-flavored because it's the monk replacement of the book. The warblade? It's the pseudo-fighter, and it doesn't have a single magical/supernatural ability on its maneuver list except for a few from one discipline that it shares with the swordsage.</p><p></p><p><strong>Rant</strong>[sblock]It has access to five disciplines--Diamond Mind, Iron Heart, White Raven, Tiger Claw, and Stone Dragon--which are flavored as, respectively, "I'm really skilled and hit things hard," "I'm really skilled and hit things multiple times," "I'm really skilled and help out my allies a lot," "I'm really skilled and hit things with two weapons," and "I'm really skilled and can ignore damage reduction and bull rushes."</p><p></p><p>Character A focuses all his strength into a powerful blow, sacrificing his accuracy for a decisive swing.</p><p>Character B focuses all his strength into a powerful blow, sacrificing his accuracy for a decisive swing.</p><p></p><p>Which one just used the Power Attack feat, and which one just used the Mountain Hammer strike while in the Punishing Stance?</p><p></p><p>Character A swings his blade in a wide arc, cutting through one foe and cleaving into another.</p><p>Character B swings his blade in a wide arc, cutting through one foe and cleaving into another.</p><p></p><p>Which one just used the Cleave feat, and which one just used the Steel Wind strike?</p><p></p><p>Character A thrusts his blade forward, under his opponent's swing, twists his blade and pulls up, deftly wrenching his foe's blade out of his grip.</p><p>Character B thrusts his blade forward, under his opponent's swing, twists his blade and pulls up, deftly wrenching his foe's blade out of his grip.</p><p></p><p>Which one just used the Disarm action, and which one just used Disarming Strike?</p><p></p><p>Character A makes a running leap and thrusts both blades into his opponent.</p><p>Character B makes a running leap and thrusts both blades into his opponent.</p><p></p><p>Which one just used the Leap Attack and Two-Weapon Fighting feats, and which one used the Sudden Leap and Wolf Fang Strike maneuver?</p><p></p><p>Damn Tome of Battle classes and their crazy anime magic. Like nothing ever seen before in D&D.[/sblock][/rant]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eldritch_Lord, post: 5020615, member: 52073"] I won't comment on your assessment of the warblade's power level, since its relative power depends on how your group plays other martial characters, but I do object to this characterization of it as some sort of "weeaboo anime class" that seems to be all over the place. The swordsage is most definitely anime-inspired and Eastern-flavored because it's the monk replacement of the book. The warblade? It's the pseudo-fighter, and it doesn't have a single magical/supernatural ability on its maneuver list except for a few from one discipline that it shares with the swordsage. [B]Rant[/B][sblock]It has access to five disciplines--Diamond Mind, Iron Heart, White Raven, Tiger Claw, and Stone Dragon--which are flavored as, respectively, "I'm really skilled and hit things hard," "I'm really skilled and hit things multiple times," "I'm really skilled and help out my allies a lot," "I'm really skilled and hit things with two weapons," and "I'm really skilled and can ignore damage reduction and bull rushes." Character A focuses all his strength into a powerful blow, sacrificing his accuracy for a decisive swing. Character B focuses all his strength into a powerful blow, sacrificing his accuracy for a decisive swing. Which one just used the Power Attack feat, and which one just used the Mountain Hammer strike while in the Punishing Stance? Character A swings his blade in a wide arc, cutting through one foe and cleaving into another. Character B swings his blade in a wide arc, cutting through one foe and cleaving into another. Which one just used the Cleave feat, and which one just used the Steel Wind strike? Character A thrusts his blade forward, under his opponent's swing, twists his blade and pulls up, deftly wrenching his foe's blade out of his grip. Character B thrusts his blade forward, under his opponent's swing, twists his blade and pulls up, deftly wrenching his foe's blade out of his grip. Which one just used the Disarm action, and which one just used Disarming Strike? Character A makes a running leap and thrusts both blades into his opponent. Character B makes a running leap and thrusts both blades into his opponent. Which one just used the Leap Attack and Two-Weapon Fighting feats, and which one used the Sudden Leap and Wolf Fang Strike maneuver? Damn Tome of Battle classes and their crazy anime magic. Like nothing ever seen before in D&D.[/sblock][/rant] [/QUOTE]
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