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<blockquote data-quote="nonsi256" data-source="post: 5028633" data-attributes="member: 86164"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]Hey Kerrik,</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]Nice stuff. On the overall, weaker, less versatile and less interesting (to me) than my Warrior, but definitely an improvement to the core Fighter.</span></span>[/FONT] </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]It’s just still too far away from casters (options-wise, power-wise & defense-wise) in my book to be tempting enough.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]Some noted I find relevant:</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot](Imp.) Uncanny Dodge:</span></span>[/FONT] </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]Too late to count. Way too late.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Dazing Blow:</em></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]I tend to find the Anvil of Thunder feat (CW) quite appropriate.</span></span>[/FONT] </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]I’m not talking balance-wise, just in terms of credibility. Dazing with any weapon at any circumstance seems a bit farfetched to me.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Dual Strike</em></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The +2 bonus will make this one a no-brainer.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot] . . .</span></span>[/FONT]</p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">“This attack takes the place of one iterative for both weapons - for example, if the fighter had three attacks with both weapons and made a dual strike with the first iterative, he could make only <em>two further attacks</em> with each weapon individually”.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Again – no reason in the world not to use.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Blinding Strike:</em></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">This both doesn’t make sense and serves as an “I Win” card when combined with Dazing Strike.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Bulwark:</em></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">A shield can only be in one place at a given time. Unless you wish to venture to the anime realm, I’d suggest you narrow it down to a single adjacent ally at a time.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Staggering Strike:</em></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">“Fort save . . . or be knocked back 5 feet and staggered”</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Can you knock back a great wyrm or a whale?</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I’d suggest making a successful attack count as Bull Rush.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Rapid Strike:</em></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">“Spells or abilities that grant extra attacks, like haste, do not work with this ability”.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]This kind of logical gymnastics has always irked my eye.</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Spell Deflection:</em></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I’m so stealing this one from you and making it into a shield feat.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Talons of the Beast:</em></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Another trophy for the loot. I just don’t know yet what will be the prereqs.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Killing Blow</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">“This ability is not usable against constructs, elementals, incorporeal creatures, oozes, plants, or undead, but otherwise works against creatures that are resistant or immune to critical hits or death from massive damage, or that have damage reduction”</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]Can you explain this one?</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>Shield Wall:</em></span></span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">You mean “The fighter’s opponents treat the area...”, right?</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">[FONT=&quot]Oh, and yes. </span></span><span style="font-size: 10px">Another trophy for the loot.</span>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nonsi256, post: 5028633, member: 86164"] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]Hey Kerrik,[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]Nice stuff. On the overall, weaker, less versatile and less interesting (to me) than my Warrior, but definitely an improvement to the core Fighter.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]It’s just still too far away from casters (options-wise, power-wise & defense-wise) in my book to be tempting enough.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]Some noted I find relevant:[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="](Imp.) Uncanny Dodge:[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]Too late to count. Way too late.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Dazing Blow:[/I] [FONT="]I tend to find the Anvil of Thunder feat (CW) quite appropriate.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]I’m not talking balance-wise, just in terms of credibility. Dazing with any weapon at any circumstance seems a bit farfetched to me.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Dual Strike[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]The +2 bonus will make this one a no-brainer.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="] . . .[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]“This attack takes the place of one iterative for both weapons - for example, if the fighter had three attacks with both weapons and made a dual strike with the first iterative, he could make only [I]two further attacks[/I] with each weapon individually”.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Again – no reason in the world not to use. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Blinding Strike:[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]This both doesn’t make sense and serves as an “I Win” card when combined with Dazing Strike. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Bulwark:[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]A shield can only be in one place at a given time. Unless you wish to venture to the anime realm, I’d suggest you narrow it down to a single adjacent ally at a time. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Staggering Strike:[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]“Fort save . . . or be knocked back 5 feet and staggered”[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Can you knock back a great wyrm or a whale?[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]I’d suggest making a successful attack count as Bull Rush. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Rapid Strike:[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]“Spells or abilities that grant extra attacks, like haste, do not work with this ability”.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]This kind of logical gymnastics has always irked my eye.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Spell Deflection:[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]I’m so stealing this one from you and making it into a shield feat. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Talons of the Beast:[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Another trophy for the loot. I just don’t know yet what will be the prereqs. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Killing Blow[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]“This ability is not usable against constructs, elementals, incorporeal creatures, oozes, plants, or undead, but otherwise works against creatures that are resistant or immune to critical hits or death from massive damage, or that have damage reduction”[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]Can you explain this one?[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]Shield Wall:[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]You mean “The fighter’s opponents treat the area...”, right?[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT="]Oh, and yes. [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2]Another trophy for the loot.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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