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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 9425020" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>It looks pretty from the screenshots, but I'm going to be harsh here: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.</p><p></p><p>In the last 25 years WotC (Hasbro) has imho produced one good product of tech/software and that is Magic the Gathering: Arena. Everything else was either absolute crap or they threw in the towel way too early. Imho the reason that DDB is relatively popular is not because it's so good, it's because people don't have another choice...</p><p></p><p>I'm not going to dump a large pile of cash into something like this for WotC/Hasbro to pull the plug on (again) at an undetermined later time. Because at this point WotC has a worse track history with their digital products then Google (just google the Google graveyard). This is also the reason why I never bought anything DDB.</p><p></p><p>Again it looks very pretty! But a VTT/RPG is more (or can be) then the 'battlemap' that is shown here. What about sharing images, sharing sounds/music, information, etc.?</p><p></p><p>There have been other examples of VTTs that implement the 3D aspect very well, Talespire for example. So this isn't new or anything... Using UE4 or UE5 means that it requires quite a bit of power to run and initial PC support only would mean that the people that can actually use it is relatively limited. But that mobile devices and consoles are in the pipeline is an actual improvement over most other (3D) VTTs out there. But that's way down the line and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it never materialized. WotC/Hasbro have the resources to build something truly great, but I expect it to be a money milking machine first and anything else last... If not, it would be a happy coincidence.</p><p></p><p>But to be honest, the screenshot with the self building elements in it looks/feels like I'm looking at a computer game. I have nothing against a computer game, I play plenty of those myself. But when we play a pnp RPG online, we (as in our group) wants to stay away from it being a computer game. That's one reason why I've stayed away from 3D VTTs, other reasons include: More computer power and different platforms of the players, often janky viewing controls (looking at you Tabletop Simulator!), WAY more prep time, difficult to get consistent visuals, often proprietary content, infrastructure, etc.</p><p></p><p>I see the potential of a good 3D VTT (maybe not for my group), especially with VR, but I don't think I'll jump in anytime soon... I have serious doubts that WotC/Hasbro will produce a good 3D VTT and stick with it. I might play around with it, just to see what it does, but that's probably it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why would you want to move from Foundry? IF you want 3D in your D&D VTT, there's 3D Canvas from theripper93 already. And if WotC/Hasbro ever decides to pull the plug (again) on their 3D VTT your left with nothing, with Foundry they can pull the plug and you can still run whatever version you're running (and have backupped)... That's the reason why I went with Foundry in the first place, that and the enormous community support. AND there is official D&D support as well. So why leave it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 9425020, member: 725"] It looks pretty from the screenshots, but I'm going to be harsh here: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. In the last 25 years WotC (Hasbro) has imho produced one good product of tech/software and that is Magic the Gathering: Arena. Everything else was either absolute crap or they threw in the towel way too early. Imho the reason that DDB is relatively popular is not because it's so good, it's because people don't have another choice... I'm not going to dump a large pile of cash into something like this for WotC/Hasbro to pull the plug on (again) at an undetermined later time. Because at this point WotC has a worse track history with their digital products then Google (just google the Google graveyard). This is also the reason why I never bought anything DDB. Again it looks very pretty! But a VTT/RPG is more (or can be) then the 'battlemap' that is shown here. What about sharing images, sharing sounds/music, information, etc.? There have been other examples of VTTs that implement the 3D aspect very well, Talespire for example. So this isn't new or anything... Using UE4 or UE5 means that it requires quite a bit of power to run and initial PC support only would mean that the people that can actually use it is relatively limited. But that mobile devices and consoles are in the pipeline is an actual improvement over most other (3D) VTTs out there. But that's way down the line and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it never materialized. WotC/Hasbro have the resources to build something truly great, but I expect it to be a money milking machine first and anything else last... If not, it would be a happy coincidence. But to be honest, the screenshot with the self building elements in it looks/feels like I'm looking at a computer game. I have nothing against a computer game, I play plenty of those myself. But when we play a pnp RPG online, we (as in our group) wants to stay away from it being a computer game. That's one reason why I've stayed away from 3D VTTs, other reasons include: More computer power and different platforms of the players, often janky viewing controls (looking at you Tabletop Simulator!), WAY more prep time, difficult to get consistent visuals, often proprietary content, infrastructure, etc. I see the potential of a good 3D VTT (maybe not for my group), especially with VR, but I don't think I'll jump in anytime soon... I have serious doubts that WotC/Hasbro will produce a good 3D VTT and stick with it. I might play around with it, just to see what it does, but that's probably it. Why would you want to move from Foundry? IF you want 3D in your D&D VTT, there's 3D Canvas from theripper93 already. And if WotC/Hasbro ever decides to pull the plug (again) on their 3D VTT your left with nothing, with Foundry they can pull the plug and you can still run whatever version you're running (and have backupped)... That's the reason why I went with Foundry in the first place, that and the enormous community support. AND there is official D&D support as well. So why leave it? [/QUOTE]
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