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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 4740055" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>What, we weren't civil? Why did you post in the RULES forum if you weren't actually asking a question about the rules? It's only now that you've made it clear you were actually debating the nature/realism of Sneak Attack, not how it works in the rules as written. You're the one who made everyone believe you were debating the RAW, not the abstractness of the rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Have you seen anyone actually move and fight in plate armor? I saw it just yesterday, actually, on the History Channel's "Warriors". An American ex-military guy was learning about warfare in the Middle Ages, and the guys gave him a suit of plate armor to try out. He moved around in it and showed how flexible it seemed, even though he mentioned how heavy it was, yet not much heavier than the full combat gear a modern soldier might haul around sometimes.</p><p></p><p>You may not be able to move as quickly in most armors, but you can still move. Instead of talking about some guy kicking you (which isn't very precise or vital-targeting as far as attacks go), you should be thinking about how the heck someone's gonna stab you in the vitals while you're in that armor and still able to move. Just how precisely can you get them in the vitals that way, while they're trying to roll away or slash at you with their own sword? Sure, you have an advantage; that's why prone opponents take a -4 AC penalty in D&D. Don't forget that you're still armed and dangerous in most cases when knocked prone (unless you're a wizard or something, and if you're a monk, you can probably regain your feet quickly enough for it to not matter as much).</p><p></p><p>Don't be snide just because you made a poor choice debating realism in the Rules forum, where everyone is naturally going to assume your debate is over interpreting the Rules as Written. You're the one who didn't bother to state in the first place that you were debating it on the grounds of realism, not whether or not it was the correct way to run it by the Rules as Written.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 4740055, member: 13966"] What, we weren't civil? Why did you post in the RULES forum if you weren't actually asking a question about the rules? It's only now that you've made it clear you were actually debating the nature/realism of Sneak Attack, not how it works in the rules as written. You're the one who made everyone believe you were debating the RAW, not the abstractness of the rules. Have you seen anyone actually move and fight in plate armor? I saw it just yesterday, actually, on the History Channel's "Warriors". An American ex-military guy was learning about warfare in the Middle Ages, and the guys gave him a suit of plate armor to try out. He moved around in it and showed how flexible it seemed, even though he mentioned how heavy it was, yet not much heavier than the full combat gear a modern soldier might haul around sometimes. You may not be able to move as quickly in most armors, but you can still move. Instead of talking about some guy kicking you (which isn't very precise or vital-targeting as far as attacks go), you should be thinking about how the heck someone's gonna stab you in the vitals while you're in that armor and still able to move. Just how precisely can you get them in the vitals that way, while they're trying to roll away or slash at you with their own sword? Sure, you have an advantage; that's why prone opponents take a -4 AC penalty in D&D. Don't forget that you're still armed and dangerous in most cases when knocked prone (unless you're a wizard or something, and if you're a monk, you can probably regain your feet quickly enough for it to not matter as much). Don't be snide just because you made a poor choice debating realism in the Rules forum, where everyone is naturally going to assume your debate is over interpreting the Rules as Written. You're the one who didn't bother to state in the first place that you were debating it on the grounds of realism, not whether or not it was the correct way to run it by the Rules as Written. [/QUOTE]
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