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<blockquote data-quote="Bob Mackenzie" data-source="post: 510740" data-attributes="member: 8799"><p>Ladies & Gents</p><p></p><p>Being a bit new to this Ive just noticed the penelties for hitting kneeling & prone targets with missile fire. This triggers a few thoughts.</p><p></p><p>-4 to hit a lying down crossbowman plus he/she still gets their dex bonus - very generous! At close range this seems a bit over powerful, after all from 10' away a standing archer will be able to see all the prone defender's body.</p><p></p><p>Having said that as it take a move equivalent action to get up you are in the s**t if some one with a sword reaches you. Mind you as getting up doesn't provoke an attack of oppertunity its not that dangerous</p><p></p><p>[oh and there is no indication in the PHB that this only applies to human shaped characters, so if a dragon layed on its belly and just used is breath weapon it would be -4 to hit <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> (yes its too cheesy for words and I'd nevr do it)]</p><p></p><p>There are no rules for crawling in the PHB I'd suggest limiting it to the free 5' move</p><p></p><p>So kneeling is a compromise, -2 to hit. Unfortunately the PHB has no rules for going kneeling or rising afterwards</p><p></p><p></p><p>Comment's? Personally I'd ignore kneeling - give prone a -2 hit penalty and a AOO for getting up - after all you don't see many medieval etchings of prone crossbowmen!</p><p></p><p>Cheers</p><p></p><p>Bob</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bob Mackenzie, post: 510740, member: 8799"] Ladies & Gents Being a bit new to this Ive just noticed the penelties for hitting kneeling & prone targets with missile fire. This triggers a few thoughts. -4 to hit a lying down crossbowman plus he/she still gets their dex bonus - very generous! At close range this seems a bit over powerful, after all from 10' away a standing archer will be able to see all the prone defender's body. Having said that as it take a move equivalent action to get up you are in the s**t if some one with a sword reaches you. Mind you as getting up doesn't provoke an attack of oppertunity its not that dangerous [oh and there is no indication in the PHB that this only applies to human shaped characters, so if a dragon layed on its belly and just used is breath weapon it would be -4 to hit :) (yes its too cheesy for words and I'd nevr do it)] There are no rules for crawling in the PHB I'd suggest limiting it to the free 5' move So kneeling is a compromise, -2 to hit. Unfortunately the PHB has no rules for going kneeling or rising afterwards Comment's? Personally I'd ignore kneeling - give prone a -2 hit penalty and a AOO for getting up - after all you don't see many medieval etchings of prone crossbowmen! Cheers Bob [/QUOTE]
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