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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lothar" data-source="post: 510910" data-attributes="member: 3225">DOWN UP!  DOWN UP!I personally think that WOTC did prone rules and modifiers correctly.  Of course, they could always clarify what denotes a "prone" position.I consider any condition in which you are stationary and not supported solely by your legs "prone" with respect to combat modifiers.  If you are climbing or riding, then you use those combat modifiers.A prone crossbowman will have his head up, and his upper body will be supported by his elbows.  He will not be flat on his back or stomach with his appendages flailing around like a turtle on his back.  A crossbowman in the seated position would also be considered prone by D&D rules.  A kneeling crossbowman would be considered standing, but a melee attacker would get a bonus to hit for being on higher ground.  However, if he is kneeling and sitting, he would be prone.Now, the only problem with the above is that it would be virtually impossible for a crossbowman in the classic "prone" position to reload his weapon without a winch.  And that would require a full-round action to <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.  And an archer 10 feet away from the prone crossbowman still doesn't see all of his vital areas.  He might be limited to head, shoulders, and legs.I will now address the issue of getting up or moving from prone.  Anyone who has ever played organized football knows how easy it is to get up and move from prone.  There is a practice drill called a "down-up" that every freshman masters his first week of football practice.  You basically run in place until the coach instructs you to fall prone and get back up as fast as you can.  It can easily be done in one second.  So carefully (avoiding AoO)getting up in three seconds seems about right, if not conservative.  Okay, one more football practice reference.  There is another drill called a "bear crawl".  This is where you run as fast as you can on your hands and feet.  At my football practices, some people could bear crawl as fast as others could sprint.  So my opinion is that crawling should be a move equivalent action at half-speed, with normal prone modifiers for attackers.So just to summarize, I don't consider prone the same thing as lying down.Edit:  The above smilies replaced the word c-o-c-k.  I can't think of any synonym for it, so I'll leave the smilies.  I think Eric's Grandma's filters are working a little too hard.</blockquote>

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