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Pronouns in D&D - How should gender be handled?
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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 6218814" data-attributes="member: 8835"><p>a) Your pony is in the mail.</p><p></p><p>b) it takes two seconds to see that writing "he" all over the place, whether tradition, old standard or not might be taken the wrong way by a woman. I wouldn't want "she" to be the standard either. So it's easy ground to give on in the Equal Rights movement. It has the key attributes of lopsided distribution and keyed to a specific gender. That examination takes two seconds to complete to determine an air of legitimacy to the issue. It's not as big as letting women vote, but it is bigger than renaming man hole covers because it has the word "man" in it</p><p></p><p>c) what does a pony have to do with gender or sexism? There is no connection to lopsided distribution keyed to a specific gender. You don't have a pony because your parents decided not to get you one or because they couldn't afford it, or they were logical determined that it wouldn't be best for the pony's well being. Gender never came into the equation, thus it wasn't sexist. Unless your parents said "you're a boy, you can't have a pony", which wasn't disclosed in the original claim, there's no sexism, and it didn't take a lot to determine that.</p><p></p><p>d) wanting to keep doing things the old way doesn't make you bad, but it can you look bad to others. Let's assume you don't care what I think, that's OK. These situations matter when a person sticks to their guns in front of people they DO care what they think. If a female friend reads your gaming manuscript and says "hey, I think your writing leaves women out because you only use male genders", I hope you care what she thinks, and I would be concerned that defending the writing practice will not make you look tolerant to her. Expand that out to any of the people you care about, in the case of an RPG manuscript, likely gamers, some of which are women.</p><p></p><p>e) I agree we can find people who will claim something whacky offends them. The slippery slope argument is usually used as protection against them (we can't do X, or the whacky people will use that to further justify something). I think the normal people outnumber the whacky people. As long as the normal people try to do the right thing AND make course corrections when it's gone too far, it'll never get that far. Normal people know when whacky people are being stupid again.</p><p></p><p>f) you're neither allowed nor barred from examining anything. There are no restrictions on what you do, other than the potential PR fallout of what one says about the old way vs. the new way. I doubt anybody here in this thread is any kind of PR trouble. But anybody writing an RPG would be advised to side with the newer styles, unless they want PR issues with people who finally review/read their product. In today's modern era, I cannot fathom why ANYBODY would risk it. It's like that Indian government guy in the news recently. Given what a hot button the R word is over there, only an idiot would make ANY statement containing the R word or saying anything that doesn't outright condemn it. It ought to have been an HR memo saying "don't talk about R except in carefully vetted by PR phrases."</p><p></p><p>The "he" vs. "he/she" thing is way minor to that. But it's an issue, and my imaginary legal department, PR and HR has advised me to acquiesce to their request, as resisting it could be taken the wrong way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Janx, post: 6218814, member: 8835"] a) Your pony is in the mail. b) it takes two seconds to see that writing "he" all over the place, whether tradition, old standard or not might be taken the wrong way by a woman. I wouldn't want "she" to be the standard either. So it's easy ground to give on in the Equal Rights movement. It has the key attributes of lopsided distribution and keyed to a specific gender. That examination takes two seconds to complete to determine an air of legitimacy to the issue. It's not as big as letting women vote, but it is bigger than renaming man hole covers because it has the word "man" in it c) what does a pony have to do with gender or sexism? There is no connection to lopsided distribution keyed to a specific gender. You don't have a pony because your parents decided not to get you one or because they couldn't afford it, or they were logical determined that it wouldn't be best for the pony's well being. Gender never came into the equation, thus it wasn't sexist. Unless your parents said "you're a boy, you can't have a pony", which wasn't disclosed in the original claim, there's no sexism, and it didn't take a lot to determine that. d) wanting to keep doing things the old way doesn't make you bad, but it can you look bad to others. Let's assume you don't care what I think, that's OK. These situations matter when a person sticks to their guns in front of people they DO care what they think. If a female friend reads your gaming manuscript and says "hey, I think your writing leaves women out because you only use male genders", I hope you care what she thinks, and I would be concerned that defending the writing practice will not make you look tolerant to her. Expand that out to any of the people you care about, in the case of an RPG manuscript, likely gamers, some of which are women. e) I agree we can find people who will claim something whacky offends them. The slippery slope argument is usually used as protection against them (we can't do X, or the whacky people will use that to further justify something). I think the normal people outnumber the whacky people. As long as the normal people try to do the right thing AND make course corrections when it's gone too far, it'll never get that far. Normal people know when whacky people are being stupid again. f) you're neither allowed nor barred from examining anything. There are no restrictions on what you do, other than the potential PR fallout of what one says about the old way vs. the new way. I doubt anybody here in this thread is any kind of PR trouble. But anybody writing an RPG would be advised to side with the newer styles, unless they want PR issues with people who finally review/read their product. In today's modern era, I cannot fathom why ANYBODY would risk it. It's like that Indian government guy in the news recently. Given what a hot button the R word is over there, only an idiot would make ANY statement containing the R word or saying anything that doesn't outright condemn it. It ought to have been an HR memo saying "don't talk about R except in carefully vetted by PR phrases." The "he" vs. "he/she" thing is way minor to that. But it's an issue, and my imaginary legal department, PR and HR has advised me to acquiesce to their request, as resisting it could be taken the wrong way. [/QUOTE]
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