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<blockquote data-quote="Arbiter of Wyrms" data-source="post: 2145991" data-attributes="member: 18021">Kee-ho-tik or kwik-sah-tik can both be corrected by those who care to, but an argument can generally be made for the pronounciation being corrected, too.Look at &quot;angst&quot; or &quot;forte.&quot;&nbsp; Both are commonly &quot;mispronounced.&quot;&nbsp; Or are they?&nbsp; Just because the common pronounciation is not the same in English as it is in the source language doesn't mean that the borrowing language is &quot;wrong.&quot;&nbsp; It's just different.&nbsp; That's a part of the process of borrowing.Speakers can fight linguistic change, just as you seem to advocate, Wulf, but we don't have to.&nbsp; When a language stops undergoing change, it's generally regarded as 'dead.' Really, in the end, I think we each tend to argue that most people should speak the way we ourselves do.&nbsp; If everyone expressed themselves just as I do, the world might be a boring place, but at least I'd understand most everything everybody else said or wrote.There is such a thing as hyper-correction, too: like when we insist that folks pronounce the all of the &quot;R&quot;s in the word &quot;February,&quot; or the &quot;L&quot; in &quot;talk.&quot;&nbsp; This sort of thing is not unprecedented.&nbsp; In fact, its one of the means of &quot;linguistic shift,&quot; as you call it, worth mentioning.Between Greek, Latin, French, and Spanish alone, English prpbably has at least as many borrowed words as it does native Germanic ones, and I don't really expect most English speakers to keep up with the different grammatical, morphological, and phonological rules that accompany the words we use.&nbsp; Most folks don't even know the etymologies of the words they use, much less understand the pronounciation rules of all of the languages from which English borrows lexical items.&nbsp; Further, I would argue that if someone spoke English using all of the pronounciations appropriate the the source languages for all borrowed words, his of her speech would be nigh indecipherable to nearly all other English speakers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arbiter of Wyrms, post: 2145991, member: 18021"] Kee-ho-tik or kwik-sah-tik can both be corrected by those who care to, but an argument can generally be made for the pronounciation being corrected, too. Look at "angst" or "forte." Both are commonly "mispronounced." Or are they? Just because the common pronounciation is not the same in English as it is in the source language doesn't mean that the borrowing language is "wrong." It's just different. That's a part of the process of borrowing. Speakers can fight linguistic change, just as you seem to advocate, Wulf, but we don't have to. When a language stops undergoing change, it's generally regarded as 'dead.' Really, in the end, I think we each tend to argue that most people should speak the way we ourselves do. If everyone expressed themselves just as I do, the world might be a boring place, but at least I'd understand most everything everybody else said or wrote. There is such a thing as hyper-correction, too: like when we insist that folks pronounce the all of the "R"s in the word "February," or the "L" in "talk." This sort of thing is not unprecedented. In fact, its one of the means of "linguistic shift," as you call it, worth mentioning. Between Greek, Latin, French, and Spanish alone, English prpbably has at least as many borrowed words as it does native Germanic ones, and I don't really expect most English speakers to keep up with the different grammatical, morphological, and phonological rules that accompany the words we use. Most folks don't even know the etymologies of the words they use, much less understand the pronounciation rules of all of the languages from which English borrows lexical items. Further, I would argue that if someone spoke English using all of the pronounciations appropriate the the source languages for all borrowed words, his of her speech would be nigh indecipherable to nearly all other English speakers. [/QUOTE]

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