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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 316724" data-attributes="member: 96">What CR is Orcus, anyway?  Where are the stats for him?  If he's not CR 60 or so, of *course* a 40th level Divine Rank 2 creature is going to wipe the floor with him.  That's like saying Weapon Specialization plus Great Cleave is broken because it lets you go through kobolds like a lawnmower - of course you can, they're not meant to be a significant challenge at that level.How do you get CR 34 out of a 40th level wizard (CR 40) plus divine ranks?  I don't own Deities and Demigods but I find it hard to believe that divine ranks would actually reduce your CR...I get 457 hp average for the vampiric touch.  Enhance adds only 5d6 to the vampiric touch, because it's 1d6 per two caster levels. That gives you 90+105d6 damage - not even enough to get 800 on a maximum roll.Shouldn't Orcus have some spell resistance, by the way?  Admittedly, with more than a +40 to your caster level check you are likely to blow through it, but it ought to be considered.I also note that your magic item prices are way, way off - I checked only the spikard, but a +40 to one skill costs 320,000gp (enhancement bonuses of greater than +30 are epic, and x10 cost).  Remember to *double* the cost of everything after the first magical property (DMG 246, Adding New Abilities) - so the +40 to the skills costs almost 3 million gp alone, and that's without adding in the permanent spell effects or the Spell Resistance.So basically you've proven that Empower Spell (plus extra magic items plus Divine rank plus epic levels) lets you wipe out a significantly weaker foe (who had apparently been feebleminded judging from his behavior) much faster than she otherwise could.  Um, congratulations?Regarding epic spells vs. metamagiced regular spells: yes, your empowered horrid wilting can beat a Destroy.  On the other hand, the wizard with Epic Spellcasting had to spend a total of one (1) feat on it, while you spent...well, I have no idea how you got 19th level spells, but normally that'd cost 10 feats, plus your 3 improved metamagics, plus your empower, plus your maximize, plus your enhance...so what did the guy with Epic Spellcasting do with his other 15 feats?  You need to consider that when comparing the two...J</blockquote>

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