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PROOF that Empower Spell should not be allowed to stack with itself!
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<blockquote data-quote="Cloudgatherer" data-source="post: 317779" data-attributes="member: 66"><p>Let's actually start with a 40th level wizard....(Edited slightly for clarity...)</p><p></p><p>Karni Nazanur</p><p></p><p>Male Elven Wiz40: CR 40; Medium (elven); HD 40d4+120; hp 240 (d4 = 3); Init +2 (+2 Dex); Spd 30 ft.; AC 22 (+10 bracers of armor, +2 Dex); Atk (BAB +10, Epic +10); SQ elven traits; AL LN; SV Fort +24, Ref +23, Will +28; Stat increases: +1 Int at 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, 24th, and 28th, +1 Con at 20th, 36th, 40th, +1 Wis at 32nd; Str 10, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 30 (24), Wis 12, Cha 10. (35 point-buy)</p><p></p><p>Skills (369 points) and Feats (7 normal, 4 normal meta/item creation, 7 normal epic, 6 bonus wizard epic): Skill left for the reader; </p><p></p><p>Normal Feats (11): Empower Spell, Maximize Spell, and Quicken Spell… (etc)</p><p></p><p>Epic Feats (13): Improved Metamagic x3, Improved Spellcasting Capacity x9, Multispell</p><p></p><p>Possessions: bracers of armor +10, cloak of resistance +5, headband of intellect +6</p><p></p><p>Class Spells Prepared: 4/6/6/6/6/6/6/5/5/5/2/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1</p><p></p><p>I'm still working on getting all the specifics correct, but you get the idea.... This is not a (too) munched character except for the feat choices, which is done for illustration.</p><p></p><p>So the caster has up to an 18th level spell......</p><p></p><p>18th: empowered x10 horrid wilting (25d8 + 500% = 112.5 * 6 = 675, 337 half)</p><p>17th: empowered x8 meteor swarm (24d6 + 400% = 84 * 5 = 420, no save)</p><p></p><p>So if Mr. Wizard here burned his most powerful spell slots on the starting round and flung them at Mr. Fighter, Mr. Fighter would take 757 points of damage, assuming he made his fort save (highly likely).</p><p></p><p>If Mr. Fighter has a Con of 30, and 40 levels, that's 40d10+400 is (on average) is 620 hp. If he has a Con of 40, add 200 HP, so that's 820 hp.</p><p></p><p>That's probably the most abusive I can be (at least right now) with Empower. Do my numbers look good? Any suggestions on different configurations?</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying Empower is broken, but just trying to provide an *actual* 40th level wizard with a much better example of how Empower might be broken (if it is, which I haven't said either way, only looking into possible abuse).</p><p></p><p>Later!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cloudgatherer, post: 317779, member: 66"] Let's actually start with a 40th level wizard....(Edited slightly for clarity...) Karni Nazanur Male Elven Wiz40: CR 40; Medium (elven); HD 40d4+120; hp 240 (d4 = 3); Init +2 (+2 Dex); Spd 30 ft.; AC 22 (+10 bracers of armor, +2 Dex); Atk (BAB +10, Epic +10); SQ elven traits; AL LN; SV Fort +24, Ref +23, Will +28; Stat increases: +1 Int at 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, 24th, and 28th, +1 Con at 20th, 36th, 40th, +1 Wis at 32nd; Str 10, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 30 (24), Wis 12, Cha 10. (35 point-buy) Skills (369 points) and Feats (7 normal, 4 normal meta/item creation, 7 normal epic, 6 bonus wizard epic): Skill left for the reader; Normal Feats (11): Empower Spell, Maximize Spell, and Quicken Spell… (etc) Epic Feats (13): Improved Metamagic x3, Improved Spellcasting Capacity x9, Multispell Possessions: bracers of armor +10, cloak of resistance +5, headband of intellect +6 Class Spells Prepared: 4/6/6/6/6/6/6/5/5/5/2/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1 I'm still working on getting all the specifics correct, but you get the idea.... This is not a (too) munched character except for the feat choices, which is done for illustration. So the caster has up to an 18th level spell...... 18th: empowered x10 horrid wilting (25d8 + 500% = 112.5 * 6 = 675, 337 half) 17th: empowered x8 meteor swarm (24d6 + 400% = 84 * 5 = 420, no save) So if Mr. Wizard here burned his most powerful spell slots on the starting round and flung them at Mr. Fighter, Mr. Fighter would take 757 points of damage, assuming he made his fort save (highly likely). If Mr. Fighter has a Con of 30, and 40 levels, that's 40d10+400 is (on average) is 620 hp. If he has a Con of 40, add 200 HP, so that's 820 hp. That's probably the most abusive I can be (at least right now) with Empower. Do my numbers look good? Any suggestions on different configurations? I'm not saying Empower is broken, but just trying to provide an *actual* 40th level wizard with a much better example of how Empower might be broken (if it is, which I haven't said either way, only looking into possible abuse). Later! [/QUOTE]
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