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<blockquote data-quote="AuraSeer" data-source="post: 319215" data-attributes="member: 1331">Not so.As has been pointed out before (multiple times, in this thread and others), you're not really pointing out a problem with Empower. Your l33t killer move is based on the combination of Empower Spell and Improved Metamagic. The latter feat is the real culprit.When the ELH designers created Improved Metamagic, they failed to consider its effect on multiply-meta'd spells. Any time you have 9 metamagic feats on one spell, Improved Meta basically lets you get 9 spell levels for free instead of one, and that's what's overpowering.&nbsp; (Would you still consider that Maximized 8xEmpowered Vampiric Touch so overpowering if it were 8 levels higher?)If it bothers you so very much, use the house rule that Improved Meta only applies once per spell, instead of once per feat applied. Hopefully that'll come out as something official, but if not, that's why rule 0 was invented.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AuraSeer, post: 319215, member: 1331"] Not so. As has been pointed out before (multiple times, in this thread and others), you're not really pointing out a problem with Empower. Your l33t killer move is based on the [u]combination[/u] of Empower Spell and Improved Metamagic. The latter feat is the real culprit. When the ELH designers created Improved Metamagic, they failed to consider its effect on multiply-meta'd spells. Any time you have 9 metamagic feats on one spell, Improved Meta basically lets you get 9 spell levels for free instead of one, and that's what's overpowering. (Would you still consider that Maximized 8xEmpowered [i]Vampiric Touch[/i] so overpowering if it were 8 levels higher?) If it bothers you so very much, use the house rule that Improved Meta only applies once per spell, instead of once per feat applied. Hopefully that'll come out as something official, but if not, that's why rule 0 was invented. [/QUOTE]

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