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<blockquote data-quote="apsuman" data-source="post: 319661" data-attributes="member: 1769">High level wizards mop the floor with high level fighters all the time.Almost as often as low level fighters mop the floor with low level wizards.All you have done is to demonstrate that you can substitute a spell empowered a few times in place of other spells that would kick the fighter in the rear end.The fact that you can still use a third level spell at epic levels to me is a strength of the multiple empowers, not a weakness.And, all of your examples seem to revolve around EPIC levels.&nbsp; Maybe that is the problem you are really experiencing.I have not played at epic levels (yet) so my experience with multiple empowers are at &quot;normal&quot; levels.&nbsp; At levels 20 and below I see no problem with the multiple empowered spells.&nbsp; The fact that you have to go to level 30 to find how something is broken does not (imho) prove anything.&nbsp; The epic rules were created after the core rules, and as such are a retro-fit add-on.&nbsp; As good as they are they (being made by man) are an imperfection added onto an imperfect original system.Really, if the ONLY way your wizard might be able to beat an opponent was through the use of multiple empowers, then I might re-evaluate it's brokeness.&nbsp; But I really doubt my opinion would change.g!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="apsuman, post: 319661, member: 1769"] High level wizards mop the floor with high level fighters all the time. Almost as often as low level fighters mop the floor with low level wizards. All you have done is to demonstrate that you can substitute a spell empowered a few times in place of other spells that would kick the fighter in the rear end. The fact that you can still use a third level spell at epic levels to me is a strength of the multiple empowers, not a weakness. And, all of your examples seem to revolve around EPIC levels. Maybe that is the problem you are really experiencing. I have not played at epic levels (yet) so my experience with multiple empowers are at "normal" levels. At levels 20 and below I see no problem with the multiple empowered spells. The fact that you have to go to level 30 to find how something is broken does not (imho) prove anything. The epic rules were created after the core rules, and as such are a retro-fit add-on. As good as they are they (being made by man) are an imperfection added onto an imperfect original system. Really, if the ONLY way your wizard might be able to beat an opponent was through the use of multiple empowers, then I might re-evaluate it's brokeness. But I really doubt my opinion would change. g! [/QUOTE]

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