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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 320288" data-attributes="member: 2358">Okay, I can do that.Let's take an Empowered Fireball and compare it to Cone of Cold.&nbsp; Both are 5th-Level Spells.&nbsp; Let's cast them both with a Level 15 Wizard.Fireball [Empower]: 35 (3.5*10) + (3.5*10/2) = 52 damageCone of Cold: 52 damage (3.5*15)Here they are equal power.&nbsp; Of course that doesn't stack Empower Spell.&nbsp; Now for a second example, which may be better because these two spells are actually more similar.&nbsp; Oh, and the fact that THIS one actually stacks Empower Spell, which is the point we're all addressing.&nbsp; We'll use a Twice-Empowered Fireball and a Delayed Blast Fireball.&nbsp; This time we'll use a Level 20 Wizard.Fireball [Empower x2]: 35 (3.5*10) + (3.5*10/2)*2 = 70 damageDelayed Blast Fireball: 70 damage (3.5*20)Seems they're equal again.Who says Anubis doesn't tell both sides of the story without consideration, eh?&nbsp; Of course, this doesn't show MUCH because there isn't a lot of stacking going on here, just two for the second example.&nbsp; Wait a sec, lemme give a third example with much more stacking going on.&nbsp; We'll use a Thrice-Empowered Flame Arrow and compare it to Meteor Swarm.&nbsp; A Level 20 Wizard will cast these spellsFlame Arrow [Empower x3]: 70 (3.5*4*5) + (3.5*4*5/2)*3 = 175Meteor Swarm: 84 (3.5*24) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) = 168(I admit I still don't quite know how Meteor Swarm is supposed to work, the thing in the PH is very very poor at describing it.&nbsp; I'm not sure how a single person could be in the direct path of four meteors that go in different directions, honestly.)Now stacking Empower Spell is starting to show its effects.&nbsp; This does offer proof that it seems to be balanced at low levels, not getting unbalanced until high levels.That said, perhaps the real problem is that many of you have not played an Epic game?&nbsp; In that case, the designers made a grave error not playtesting this out before releasing the ELH or allowing Empower Spell to stack . . .</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 320288, member: 2358"] Okay, I can do that. Let's take an Empowered Fireball and compare it to Cone of Cold. Both are 5th-Level Spells. Let's cast them both with a Level 15 Wizard. Fireball [Empower]: 35 (3.5*10) + (3.5*10/2) = 52 damage Cone of Cold: 52 damage (3.5*15) Here they are equal power. Of course that doesn't stack Empower Spell. Now for a second example, which may be better because these two spells are actually more similar. Oh, and the fact that THIS one actually stacks Empower Spell, which is the point we're all addressing. We'll use a Twice-Empowered Fireball and a Delayed Blast Fireball. This time we'll use a Level 20 Wizard. Fireball [Empower x2]: 35 (3.5*10) + (3.5*10/2)*2 = 70 damage Delayed Blast Fireball: 70 damage (3.5*20) Seems they're equal again. Who says Anubis doesn't tell both sides of the story without consideration, eh? Of course, this doesn't show MUCH because there isn't a lot of stacking going on here, just two for the second example. Wait a sec, lemme give a third example with much more stacking going on. We'll use a Thrice-Empowered Flame Arrow and compare it to Meteor Swarm. A Level 20 Wizard will cast these spells Flame Arrow [Empower x3]: 70 (3.5*4*5) + (3.5*4*5/2)*3 = 175 Meteor Swarm: 84 (3.5*24) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) + 21 (3.5*6) = 168 (I admit I still don't quite know how Meteor Swarm is supposed to work, the thing in the PH is very very poor at describing it. I'm not sure how a single person could be in the direct path of four meteors that go in different directions, honestly.) Now stacking Empower Spell is starting to show its effects. This does offer proof that it seems to be balanced at low levels, not getting unbalanced until high levels. That said, perhaps the real problem is that many of you have not played an Epic game? In that case, the designers made a grave error not playtesting this out before releasing the ELH or allowing Empower Spell to stack . . . [/QUOTE]

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