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<blockquote data-quote="pathfinderq1" data-source="post: 5399654" data-attributes="member: 48394">Situation: Under current house rules, Expertise feats are banned for basic character creation, and each character receives a free Expertise feat (player's choice) at 5th level.&nbsp; However, since that rule was adopted, at least one class/build has been released which receive an Expertise feat as a class feature.&nbsp; By banning Expertise feats for normal character creation, such characters are denied one of their intended class features.&nbsp; Currently, this applies to the Hunter build of essential-Rangers, but other classes may have it in future releases.Proposal 1: If a particular class or class build specifically receives an Expertise feat as a class feature, they get that feat as their description indicates (in the case of e-Ranger Hunters, this is at 1st level).&nbsp; They also get a free Expertise feat at 5th level (if they want another one).Also:Proposal 2: The Essentials feat 'Master at Arms' provides a +1 feat bonus to all weapon attacks (and a quick draw/sheath weapon trick).&nbsp; While it is not by name an Expertise feat, it gives similar bonus- so I propose that it be considered an Expertise feat under L4W house rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pathfinderq1, post: 5399654, member: 48394"] Situation: Under current house rules, Expertise feats are banned for basic character creation, and each character receives a free Expertise feat (player's choice) at 5th level. However, since that rule was adopted, at least one class/build has been released which receive an Expertise feat as a class feature. By banning Expertise feats for normal character creation, such characters are denied one of their intended class features. Currently, this applies to the Hunter build of essential-Rangers, but other classes may have it in future releases. Proposal 1: If a particular class or class build specifically receives an Expertise feat as a class feature, they get that feat as their description indicates (in the case of e-Ranger Hunters, this is at 1st level). They also get a free Expertise feat at 5th level (if they want another one). Also: Proposal 2: The Essentials feat 'Master at Arms' provides a +1 feat bonus to all weapon attacks (and a quick draw/sheath weapon trick). While it is not by name an Expertise feat, it gives similar bonus- so I propose that it be considered an Expertise feat under L4W house rules. [/QUOTE]

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