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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5111889" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>After yesterday's slightly heated discussion in the LEB Discussion Thread, elecgraystone mentioned that he wouldn't debate this topic until we had a proposal. So, I'm making a proposal.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The proposal is to allow simplier character creation and maintenance systems into LEB.</p><p></p><p>The methods that we should allow for new character creation are:</p><p></p><p>1) A .PDF (or any file format globally available for reading) output of the Character Builder character sheet.</p><p></p><p>This is for those people who use Character Builder. The mechanics portion of the sheet just prints out. To accomplish this, one could use any of the freeware or non-freeware products to print. For example:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.cutepdf.com/" target="_blank">CutePDF</a> </p><p></p><p>Instead of printing to a printer, one prints to a PDF file.</p><p></p><p></p><p>2) An easier to use system such as:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/living-4th-edition/272362-proposal-allow-character-builder-summary-sheets-place-ew-templates-11.html" target="_blank">ScorpiusRisk's Character Sheet</a> </p><p></p><p></p><p>3) The wiki html system that we use today.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For maintenance of currently created PCs, we should allow the player to use whichever of the 3 methods above that person wants to use. It will be easy for many people to maintain their PC in the wiki format, but I could also see players such as myself who would want to switch over to method #1.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The purpose here is not to get 3 systems and to confuse anyone. The purpose here is to make it easier for new players (and current players) to create new and maintain current PCs, and to make it easier for the judges to review a PC. I believe that the adoption of this proposal will make LEB easier and more accessible for more people. I do personally know that when I saw the wiki for the first time, I was so overwhelmed that I almost didn't join here.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As a rider to this proposal, I also think that those people who do use Character Builder, regardless of which method they use above, should be asked to send their DDI Character Builder file to the judges to make it easier for the judges. A judge can then take that file and load it up into Character Builder and compare it to the online character sheet and double check it much easier and faster than if the judge had to create the PC by hand in Character Builder which I know some of the judges do. Let's make any new system easier on the judges as well, especially since we sometimes have a backlog of approved new PCs.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The advantages of method #1 for people who use Character Builder are:</p><p></p><p>1) The player only has to create the PC once in Character Builder. He does not then have to migrate the mechanics over to method #2 or method #3. This saves the player a lot of time and effort.</p><p></p><p>2) Unlike method #2 and method #3, Character Builder disallows illegal rules combinations such as not having a prerequisite for a feat but taking the feat anyway. This minimizes errors that the judges would then need to find.</p><p></p><p>3) It is faster for the judges to check correctness, especially if the players Emails his DDI Character Builder files to the judges. Note: there could be issues here of versions, so if an old version file works, great. If not, at least the player tried to help out the judges.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The advantages of method #2 for people who use Character Builder are:</p><p></p><p>1) Err, they do not have to download Adobe Reader and freeware .PDF software???</p><p></p><p>2) It is much easier and less prone to error than method #3.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The advantages of method #2 for people who do not use Character Builder are:</p><p></p><p>1) It is much easier and less prone to error than method #3.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The advantages of method #3 are:</p><p></p><p>1) Some people are used to it and like it.</p><p></p><p>2) It is easy to maintain a current PC with.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As a second rider to this system, any player who does use Character Builder should send their DDI Character Builder file to the DM if the DM requests the file. It is possible that the Character Builder character sheet might not have some minor details on it that a DM would want to know. The easiest way for him to find out is to bring up that character in Character Builder. We should not force a player to use method #2 or #3 though.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, a given DM might not have Character Builder. That's fine as well. If necessary, that DM should be able to request that the player add to his normal character web page file any details which are lacking for the method above that the player chose. It doesn't really matter which method the player uses, there could be lacking details.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If a given DM does not have Adobe Reader and the player uses method #1 above, I think that player should just either find a different adventure, or if he is willing to put in the effort, he should migrate his PC over to method #2 or method #3.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Regardless of which system a person uses for the mechanics portion of their PC, they will still need to have a character web page for the background/fluff portion of their PC. Methods #1 and #2 above could have a much simpler PC web page.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Method #1 will also have to have a section in any new web page for Character Builder corrections. Character Builder is not perfect, but it should be fairly rare.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I do think that forcing a player to enter his mechanics in twice for those who use Character Builder, once into Character Builder and once into either method #2 or #3 above is cumbersome and unnecessary. We shouldn't force unnecessary data entry on the players or the judges.</p><p></p><p>Let's make it easier for everyone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5111889, member: 2011"] After yesterday's slightly heated discussion in the LEB Discussion Thread, elecgraystone mentioned that he wouldn't debate this topic until we had a proposal. So, I'm making a proposal. The proposal is to allow simplier character creation and maintenance systems into LEB. The methods that we should allow for new character creation are: 1) A .PDF (or any file format globally available for reading) output of the Character Builder character sheet. This is for those people who use Character Builder. The mechanics portion of the sheet just prints out. To accomplish this, one could use any of the freeware or non-freeware products to print. For example: [URL="http://www.cutepdf.com/"]CutePDF[/URL] Instead of printing to a printer, one prints to a PDF file. 2) An easier to use system such as: [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/living-4th-edition/272362-proposal-allow-character-builder-summary-sheets-place-ew-templates-11.html"]ScorpiusRisk's Character Sheet[/URL] 3) The wiki html system that we use today. For maintenance of currently created PCs, we should allow the player to use whichever of the 3 methods above that person wants to use. It will be easy for many people to maintain their PC in the wiki format, but I could also see players such as myself who would want to switch over to method #1. The purpose here is not to get 3 systems and to confuse anyone. The purpose here is to make it easier for new players (and current players) to create new and maintain current PCs, and to make it easier for the judges to review a PC. I believe that the adoption of this proposal will make LEB easier and more accessible for more people. I do personally know that when I saw the wiki for the first time, I was so overwhelmed that I almost didn't join here. As a rider to this proposal, I also think that those people who do use Character Builder, regardless of which method they use above, should be asked to send their DDI Character Builder file to the judges to make it easier for the judges. A judge can then take that file and load it up into Character Builder and compare it to the online character sheet and double check it much easier and faster than if the judge had to create the PC by hand in Character Builder which I know some of the judges do. Let's make any new system easier on the judges as well, especially since we sometimes have a backlog of approved new PCs. The advantages of method #1 for people who use Character Builder are: 1) The player only has to create the PC once in Character Builder. He does not then have to migrate the mechanics over to method #2 or method #3. This saves the player a lot of time and effort. 2) Unlike method #2 and method #3, Character Builder disallows illegal rules combinations such as not having a prerequisite for a feat but taking the feat anyway. This minimizes errors that the judges would then need to find. 3) It is faster for the judges to check correctness, especially if the players Emails his DDI Character Builder files to the judges. Note: there could be issues here of versions, so if an old version file works, great. If not, at least the player tried to help out the judges. The advantages of method #2 for people who use Character Builder are: 1) Err, they do not have to download Adobe Reader and freeware .PDF software??? 2) It is much easier and less prone to error than method #3. The advantages of method #2 for people who do not use Character Builder are: 1) It is much easier and less prone to error than method #3. The advantages of method #3 are: 1) Some people are used to it and like it. 2) It is easy to maintain a current PC with. As a second rider to this system, any player who does use Character Builder should send their DDI Character Builder file to the DM if the DM requests the file. It is possible that the Character Builder character sheet might not have some minor details on it that a DM would want to know. The easiest way for him to find out is to bring up that character in Character Builder. We should not force a player to use method #2 or #3 though. Now, a given DM might not have Character Builder. That's fine as well. If necessary, that DM should be able to request that the player add to his normal character web page file any details which are lacking for the method above that the player chose. It doesn't really matter which method the player uses, there could be lacking details. If a given DM does not have Adobe Reader and the player uses method #1 above, I think that player should just either find a different adventure, or if he is willing to put in the effort, he should migrate his PC over to method #2 or method #3. Regardless of which system a person uses for the mechanics portion of their PC, they will still need to have a character web page for the background/fluff portion of their PC. Methods #1 and #2 above could have a much simpler PC web page. Method #1 will also have to have a section in any new web page for Character Builder corrections. Character Builder is not perfect, but it should be fairly rare. I do think that forcing a player to enter his mechanics in twice for those who use Character Builder, once into Character Builder and once into either method #2 or #3 above is cumbersome and unnecessary. We shouldn't force unnecessary data entry on the players or the judges. Let's make it easier for everyone. [/QUOTE]
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