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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Atanatotatos" data-source="post: 4724230" data-attributes="member: 46957">About implement/weapon expertise, take a look at an ancient red dragon's defenses and tell me if the average (not fighter/kensai/demigod) lvl 30 character can reasonably hit them without insane bonuses.At heroic level, it's good for characters that are below average regarding to-hit bonus, but the rest has much more to take before. I'll make an example with Alexander as I envision him at lvl 3:+4 strenght+2 proficiency waraxe+1/+2 enhancement+1 lvl+1 weapon talent+2 from brash strike (probable at-will of choice most of the time)+2 from flanking (almost guaranteed with pass forward)That's +13-14 to hit, without considering bonuses from our leader.The average AC of a lvl 3 soldier is 18-19 I think; meaning Alex needs a FIVE to hit it in more or less comfortable conditions; why should I choose weapon expertise over plate proficiency or whatever, really, at least for a while?On the other hand, I like the fact that it makes "bad" race/class combinations more viable, like implement users with a 16 in their main stat. Or warlords, too.</blockquote>