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<blockquote data-quote="elecgraystone" data-source="post: 5108690" data-attributes="member: 74232"><p>Replace less appealing with useless and you'd be right. What's the point of having all illusion spells or fire spells when you can spend the same feat and get that bonus damage to every spell you have? Changing our 5th level bump to a feat bonus means we might as well just remove all other expertise feats.</p><p> </p><p>I'm with Kalidrev all the way on just giving a free expertise feat at 5th. For most non standard attacks, there is already a way to get a bonus that doesn't stack with expertise. If you are a grab specialist, you're going to take improved grab right? So what good does a +1 bonus from expertise do for you when the feat gives you a +4 feat bonus?</p><p> </p><p>For racials, it seems clear that it's not WOTC's intent to have that work in 99% of cases. Out of the 2 dozen breathweapon feats only one adds to breath weapons to hit all the time. Draconic spellcaster and it has it's drawbacks. To get the 'buff' you have to be arcane and all your attacks have to be the same keyword. You give something to get something. Now look at Genasi's 44 racial feats. A grand total of 1 adds to the to hit of the one of the 3 racial attacks they have, Master of Rumbling Earth.</p><p> </p><p>To Mezegis saying "If I had a vote, I'd say keep it like it is and not punish people for playing the classes that use lots of different items for their powers." I'd have to scratch my head and ask who are you talking about? With the new PHB3 feats you're covered for most things with the ability to even pick a weapon and an implement with one feat. </p><p> </p><p>Now if a player wants a funky multi weapon/implement combo with several different types, I don't feel sorry for them. If a dragonborn has to use all fire, am I going to cry that the weapon user had to use all heavy blades or axes? nope! And to be fair, it's WOTC that would be punishing them, not us. The game if full of flavorful 'theme' feats for a reason, and if you step outside of those it's like picking a goliath wizard and complaining that you're getting punished because you didn't get a racial +2 to Int. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elecgraystone, post: 5108690, member: 74232"] Replace less appealing with useless and you'd be right. What's the point of having all illusion spells or fire spells when you can spend the same feat and get that bonus damage to every spell you have? Changing our 5th level bump to a feat bonus means we might as well just remove all other expertise feats. I'm with Kalidrev all the way on just giving a free expertise feat at 5th. For most non standard attacks, there is already a way to get a bonus that doesn't stack with expertise. If you are a grab specialist, you're going to take improved grab right? So what good does a +1 bonus from expertise do for you when the feat gives you a +4 feat bonus? For racials, it seems clear that it's not WOTC's intent to have that work in 99% of cases. Out of the 2 dozen breathweapon feats only one adds to breath weapons to hit all the time. Draconic spellcaster and it has it's drawbacks. To get the 'buff' you have to be arcane and all your attacks have to be the same keyword. You give something to get something. Now look at Genasi's 44 racial feats. A grand total of 1 adds to the to hit of the one of the 3 racial attacks they have, Master of Rumbling Earth. To Mezegis saying "If I had a vote, I'd say keep it like it is and not punish people for playing the classes that use lots of different items for their powers." I'd have to scratch my head and ask who are you talking about? With the new PHB3 feats you're covered for most things with the ability to even pick a weapon and an implement with one feat. Now if a player wants a funky multi weapon/implement combo with several different types, I don't feel sorry for them. If a dragonborn has to use all fire, am I going to cry that the weapon user had to use all heavy blades or axes? nope! And to be fair, it's WOTC that would be punishing them, not us. The game if full of flavorful 'theme' feats for a reason, and if you step outside of those it's like picking a goliath wizard and complaining that you're getting punished because you didn't get a racial +2 to Int. :p [/QUOTE]
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