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<blockquote data-quote="JoeNotCharles" data-source="post: 4878687" data-attributes="member: 79945"><p>Now that I've actually read the book, this doesn't work. The original Disciple of Divine Wrath feat lets is already basically the errata'd version I suggested.</p><p></p><p>The only differences between the two are: Hero of Faith needs Wis 15+ instead of 13+; Hero of Faith gives you training in any Avenger skill instead of just Religion; Hero of Faith lets you use <em>oath of enmity</em> until end of encounter or until the foe dies (and it explicitly doesn't recharge), while Disciple of Divine Wrath lets you use it until the end of your next turn (and says nothing about recharging).</p><p></p><p>So the question is, if you're a Disciple of Divine Wrath and you use oath of enmity and kill the target in one shot, can you pick a new target and have the duration extended a turn? I'd say no, that's just weird.</p><p></p><p>So it seems like Hero of Faith is 100% an upgrade to Disciple of Divine Wrath, except you need 2 points higher Wisdom. I don't like that - the idea that some classes should be better than others because they're harder to get into was one of the bad parts of earlier editions, and I thought they were trying to stay away from it. I think we should just ban the feat if we think it's overpowered. Maybe merge the two by giving Disciple of Divine Wrath any skill instead of Religion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JoeNotCharles, post: 4878687, member: 79945"] Now that I've actually read the book, this doesn't work. The original Disciple of Divine Wrath feat lets is already basically the errata'd version I suggested. The only differences between the two are: Hero of Faith needs Wis 15+ instead of 13+; Hero of Faith gives you training in any Avenger skill instead of just Religion; Hero of Faith lets you use [i]oath of enmity[/i] until end of encounter or until the foe dies (and it explicitly doesn't recharge), while Disciple of Divine Wrath lets you use it until the end of your next turn (and says nothing about recharging). So the question is, if you're a Disciple of Divine Wrath and you use oath of enmity and kill the target in one shot, can you pick a new target and have the duration extended a turn? I'd say no, that's just weird. So it seems like Hero of Faith is 100% an upgrade to Disciple of Divine Wrath, except you need 2 points higher Wisdom. I don't like that - the idea that some classes should be better than others because they're harder to get into was one of the bad parts of earlier editions, and I thought they were trying to stay away from it. I think we should just ban the feat if we think it's overpowered. Maybe merge the two by giving Disciple of Divine Wrath any skill instead of Religion. [/QUOTE]
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