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<blockquote data-quote="garyh" data-source="post: 5103212" data-attributes="member: 6078">I've said it before, but as a bugbear player, what was given to the Dragon minotaur in &quot;exchange&quot; for Oversized actually makes me worry that bugbears might get a writeup one day.&nbsp; It's that bad.On the flip side, if I was creating Hrav now, I'd probably have made him a half-orc.&nbsp; Alas, when I created him, bugbear was the only Str/Dex race, and I wanted to run a brutal rogue.&nbsp; The fact that I was going for the monster pirate angle helped seal the deal in choosing bugbear.If I was forced to convert Hrav from the MM bugbear to a bugbear version as poor as the Dragon minotaur, I guarantee you'd be seeing a proposal from me to convert him mechanically to a half-orc while keeping him a bugbear in fluff.&nbsp; Half-orcs kick butt in 4e.&nbsp; I actually really like half-orcs, too, but I'm not going to convert my fluff 5 levels into a character.I think the leaks for the PHB3 minotaur are promising, but I still can't pass judgment until I have it in hand.&nbsp; I will agree, however, that Minotaur Weapon Training is the worst feat ever.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="garyh, post: 5103212, member: 6078"] I've said it before, but as a bugbear player, what was given to the Dragon minotaur in "exchange" for Oversized actually makes me worry that bugbears might get a writeup one day. It's that bad. On the flip side, if I was creating Hrav now, I'd probably have made him a half-orc. Alas, when I created him, bugbear was the only Str/Dex race, and I wanted to run a brutal rogue. The fact that I was going for the monster pirate angle helped seal the deal in choosing bugbear. If I was forced to convert Hrav from the MM bugbear to a bugbear version as poor as the Dragon minotaur, I guarantee you'd be seeing a proposal from me to convert him mechanically to a half-orc while keeping him a bugbear in fluff. Half-orcs kick butt in 4e. I actually really like half-orcs, too, but I'm not going to convert my fluff 5 levels into a character. I think the leaks for the PHB3 minotaur are promising, but I still can't pass judgment until I have it in hand. I will agree, however, that Minotaur Weapon Training is the worst feat ever. ;) [/QUOTE]

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