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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ryryguy" data-source="post: 5103545" data-attributes="member: 64945">Well, it seems like the judges have made up their minds already, but I'll throw in my two cents.The "monster as PC" rules from the original MM have always had the caveat that they were intended primarily for DMs to make NPCs, and that later published versions intended for PC use would likely be different.  So while it's true that when the later published version for PCs do arrive, they aren't "errata" per se.  But the earlier rules were already marked as being temporary, so they should be retired, and replaced by the later, PC-focused rules.I actually don't much like the idea of grandfathering in the older versions for existing PCs, either - if this affected a PC in my home game, I'd push him to change to the new rules.  But I can certainly see why a player would want to keep the original version, and I woul give way if the player felt really strongly about it.  So same thing here in L4W - keep the old version if you must.I honestly do not see the point of keeping the old rules as a viable choice for new PCs.  Why exactly is that important to do?  I'd rather just have one set of rules - the ones designed specifically for PC's.  Saying that the new version of a race is "crap" is a subjective judgement.  And if you do feel that way, then pick another race - there are plenty to choose from.  There's no guarantee that every one has to suit everybody's tastes.I'm not saying this because of any particular feeling about any particular version of minotaurs (or bugbears).  I feel this way about any of the MM "races" which later get a PC version write up.  It's a bad precedent to keep multiple versions alive.  (And though folks now seem to be saying that if they keep the old version they won't use any feats that come with the new version, how long will it be before someone proposes opening those up?)Let me ask this, if they release a PC version of a MM race where no one actually had a PC using the MM version, would there be any reason to keep the MM race on the allowed list?</blockquote>

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