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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 5104151" data-attributes="member: 9789">To me, this is an excellent argument for not allowing the old version of the minotaur.&nbsp; WotC has released a large amount of unbalanced material.&nbsp; This is not my opinion; I think we can all agree on that.&nbsp; WotC has also gone back and updated or errata'd a lot of this stuff.&nbsp; Minotaurs with oversized weapons is one.Ultimately, tho, there are multiple different arguments going on here, not the least of which is &quot;one published version of the minotaur race is inferior to another&quot;.&nbsp; There is also the &quot;some PCs would have to update their character and I don't know if that's fair&quot; argument, and then there is the implied but not explicit &quot;would it be ok to retrain a race choice if your race were significantly altered&quot; bit.&nbsp; All this alongside &quot;do we want multiple minotaur races&quot; and &quot;how many house rules is ok&quot; and &quot;how can we reconcile two different minotaurs&quot;.&nbsp; This thread is getting confusing because these very different arguments are getting all mixed up.In my opinion:- Is one source better/worse than another?&nbsp; Immaterial.&nbsp; One is &quot;official,&quot; and using the other is &quot;officially&quot; a house rule.- Should PCs be allowed to swap races when their race is changed?&nbsp; I say:&nbsp; why not?- What would make life easier and cut down on these threads both now and in the future?&nbsp; A specific stance and fewer house rules.&nbsp; The simplest path (which will not please everyone) is to update all minotaurs to the newest rules.&nbsp; I think allowing folks to retrain if their race gets changed is a fair response to that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 5104151, member: 9789"] To me, this is an excellent argument for not allowing the old version of the minotaur. WotC has released a large amount of unbalanced material. This is not my opinion; I think we can all agree on that. WotC has also gone back and updated or errata'd a lot of this stuff. Minotaurs with oversized weapons is one. Ultimately, tho, there are multiple different arguments going on here, not the least of which is "one published version of the minotaur race is inferior to another". There is also the "some PCs would have to update their character and I don't know if that's fair" argument, and then there is the implied but not explicit "would it be ok to retrain a race choice if your race were significantly altered" bit. All this alongside "do we want multiple minotaur races" and "how many house rules is ok" and "how can we reconcile two different minotaurs". This thread is getting confusing because these very different arguments are getting all mixed up. In my opinion: - Is one source better/worse than another? Immaterial. One is "official," and using the other is "officially" a house rule. - Should PCs be allowed to swap races when their race is changed? I say: why not? - What would make life easier and cut down on these threads both now and in the future? A specific stance and fewer house rules. The simplest path (which will not please everyone) is to update all minotaurs to the newest rules. I think allowing folks to retrain if their race gets changed is a fair response to that. [/QUOTE]

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