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<blockquote data-quote="TwoHeadsBarking" data-source="post: 4822318" data-attributes="member: 82251">I don't think it's that much of an issue, actually.&nbsp; I mean, just how odd are we saying these character concepts are?&nbsp; 14 in your main stat?&nbsp; Even lower?&nbsp; I don't mean to sound insensitive, but unless you're trying to cripple your character, I don't think this feat is necessary (and if you are trying to cripple him, then you still wouldn't take this feat).&nbsp; I can see three main situations this would come into play: you're trying to make an unoptimal race/class pair, you're new to the game and didn't know that 16/18 is highly recommended for your main stat, or you want to try some off-the-wall MAD character.The 25 point buy actually allows you to get a good statline even if your race isn't optimal.&nbsp; For example, here's my human warlock (optimal because of racial bonus to con):Str: 10Con: 18Dex: 12Int: 16Wis: 8Cha: 14Here's how I would make her as an Eladrin (less good, but still has racial bonus to int):Str: 10Con: 18Dex: 12Int: 16Wis: 8Cha: 13with one point left to spend.&nbsp; Is this worse than the human?&nbsp; Yes, but not by a lot.&nbsp; If I wanted an halfling, well, she'd look like this:Str: 10Con: 18Dex: 12Int: 16Wis: 8Cha: 12Again, not that much of a difference.Someone who accidentally creates a rogue with dex 14 should use the overhaul to fix things.&nbsp; Granted, if both the proposal to allow ability change with the overhaul and the Dr. Scruples proposal fail, then I could be convinced otherwise.If you have this awesome idea for some crazy MAD character, you could just start with a more focused statline, and just use the overhaul/Dr. Scrupples at level 5 to spread your abilities around.So, in conclusion, I think the solution is to let people change their ability scores with the overhaul.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwoHeadsBarking, post: 4822318, member: 82251"] I don't think it's that much of an issue, actually. I mean, just how odd are we saying these character concepts are? 14 in your main stat? Even lower? I don't mean to sound insensitive, but unless you're trying to cripple your character, I don't think this feat is necessary (and if you are trying to cripple him, then you still wouldn't take this feat). I can see three main situations this would come into play: you're trying to make an unoptimal race/class pair, you're new to the game and didn't know that 16/18 is highly recommended for your main stat, or you want to try some off-the-wall MAD character. The 25 point buy actually allows you to get a good statline even if your race isn't optimal. For example, here's my human warlock (optimal because of racial bonus to con): Str: 10 Con: 18 Dex: 12 Int: 16 Wis: 8 Cha: 14 Here's how I would make her as an Eladrin (less good, but still has racial bonus to int): Str: 10 Con: 18 Dex: 12 Int: 16 Wis: 8 Cha: 13 with one point left to spend. Is this worse than the human? Yes, but not by a lot. If I wanted an halfling, well, she'd look like this: Str: 10 Con: 18 Dex: 12 Int: 16 Wis: 8 Cha: 12 Again, not [I]that[/I] much of a difference. Someone who accidentally creates a rogue with dex 14 should use the overhaul to fix things. Granted, if both the proposal to allow ability change with the overhaul and the Dr. Scruples proposal fail, then I could be convinced otherwise. If you have this awesome idea for some crazy MAD character, you could just start with a more focused statline, and just use the overhaul/Dr. Scrupples at level 5 to spread your abilities around. So, in conclusion, I think the solution is to let people change their ability scores with the overhaul. [/QUOTE]

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