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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 5351143" data-attributes="member: 9789">They are more than just a math fix, yes:  but they still refuse to fix the math!  Until that happens, I think our convoluted house rules are still much better than no house rule at all.  There's still a feat tax and there's still useless racial abilities...  I still think those are worth addressing unless WotC ever does.As a side note, at this point, it feels like they are just testing out eventually changing it so that you get a +1 per tier to hit.  That would be a great solution to the whole issue.  In the meantime, they just keep headed down the wrong path:  and instead of trying something new (because expertise feats suck), they just keep trying to fix the wrong problem.</blockquote>