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<blockquote data-quote="dreaded_beast" data-source="post: 1436216" data-attributes="member: 11185">This is based on an earlier thread attempting to change the terms &quot;fluff and crunch&quot; for something that has a less negative connotation.This is an attempt to create a term for the player who &quot;mechanically&quot; min-maxes, but does not disrupt the game in terms of roleplaying or balance.Min-Maxer (Based on descriptions from a previous thread):1. Focuses mainly on areas of the game that deal with their &quot;min-max&quot; focus and have a disruptive attitude when that focus is not present.2. Mainly combat oriented, with little desire to &quot;role-play&quot; beyond their &quot;min-max&quot; focus.3. Tendency to always want to &quot;outshine&quot; fellow players to point of causing fellow players to feel &quot;useless&quot;.4. Sometimes a difference in &quot;play-style&quot; between fellow players and DMs is the cause for the disparity.In general the Min-Maxer is a player who enjoys using the rules, numbers, feats, etc., to maximum benefit, but who has a poor attitude and differing &quot;play-style&quot; of fellow players and DM.Tweaker (New term to describe the non-negative min-maxer)The Tweaker is a player who does the same &quot;mechanical&quot; min-maxing as the min-maxer, but takes into account the &quot;play-style&quot; of fellow players and DM. In addition, the Tweaker is interested in other aspects of the game beyond their &quot;min-max&quot; focus. They do not have a disruptive attitude beyond that of an &quot;average&quot; gamer and are &quot;group-oriented&quot; when playing a &quot;group&quot; game.Comments or suggestions for new terms?The reason I am attempting to come up with a term is that I consider myself a min-maxer, but do not feel that I am disruptive, have a poor attitude, etc., when it comes to playing the game. The term min-maxer has so many negative connotations associated with it, that I think it may be time to think of a term for people who enjoy min-maxing, but are not as disruptive as the &quot;typical&quot; min-maxer.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dreaded_beast, post: 1436216, member: 11185"] This is based on an earlier thread attempting to change the terms "fluff and crunch" for something that has a less negative connotation. This is an attempt to create a term for the player who "mechanically" min-maxes, but does not disrupt the game in terms of roleplaying or balance. Min-Maxer (Based on descriptions from a previous thread): 1. Focuses mainly on areas of the game that deal with their "min-max" focus and have a disruptive attitude when that focus is not present. 2. Mainly combat oriented, with little desire to "role-play" beyond their "min-max" focus. 3. Tendency to always want to "outshine" fellow players to point of causing fellow players to feel "useless". 4. Sometimes a difference in "play-style" between fellow players and DMs is the cause for the disparity. In general the Min-Maxer is a player who enjoys using the rules, numbers, feats, etc., to maximum benefit, but who has a poor attitude and differing "play-style" of fellow players and DM. Tweaker (New term to describe the non-negative min-maxer) The Tweaker is a player who does the same "mechanical" min-maxing as the min-maxer, but takes into account the "play-style" of fellow players and DM. In addition, the Tweaker is interested in other aspects of the game beyond their "min-max" focus. They do not have a disruptive attitude beyond that of an "average" gamer and are "group-oriented" when playing a "group" game. Comments or suggestions for new terms? The reason I am attempting to come up with a term is that I consider myself a min-maxer, but do not feel that I am disruptive, have a poor attitude, etc., when it comes to playing the game. The term min-maxer has so many negative connotations associated with it, that I think it may be time to think of a term for people who enjoy min-maxing, but are not as disruptive as the "typical" min-maxer. [/QUOTE]

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