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<blockquote data-quote="JoeNotCharles" data-source="post: 4811742" data-attributes="member: 79945"><p>You know what? After reading up on the power more, I've changed my mind.</p><p></p><p>PHB2, page 218:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>p219:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>PHB, p79:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(Had to use .'s cause the board keeps removing my indentation.)</p><p></p><p>This is as clear as any of the multi-attack powers are (that is, not very): make two attacks. If you hit, do 1[W] + Strength modifier damage and make a secondary attack. (We're assuming here the character is using the right weapon and has enough Dex.) So when there are two attacks, what does "if you hit" mean?</p><p></p><p>The only possible ways I can see to read this that fit the rules are:</p><p></p><p>1. Make two attack rolls. If <em>one or both</em> hit, the whole attack counts as a hit, so do 1[W] + Strength modifier damage and make a secondary attack. If <em>neither</em> hit, the whole attack counts as a miss.</p><p>2. Make two attack rolls. If <em>both</em> hit, the whole attack counts as a hit, so do 1[W] + Strength modifier damage and make a secondary attack. If <em>one or both</em> miss, the whole attack counts as a miss.</p><p>3. Make two separate attacks. <em>For each one</em>, if it hits, do 1[W] + Strength modifier damage and make a secondary attack.</p><p></p><p>But there's no reading of the rules that lets you do damage but not make a secondary attack. If you think you only get one secondary attack, than you can only do damage once too.</p><p></p><p>Interpretation 2 is obviously crazy, since it makes a power that's actually worse than a basic attack. So we're left with interpretation 1 or 3.</p><p></p><p>Now compare Twin Strike (PHB, p105):</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Notice the Hit: line clearly says "per attack". In Rain of Blows, the hit line doesn't say that.</p><p></p><p>So Interpretation 1 is correct. Rain of Blows is really 1 or 2 attacks: the first one gets two attack rolls, keeping the higher, and if that hits you get a second attack.</p><p></p><p>Or you can say that they just forgot to write "per attack" on the hit line, and Interpretation 3 is correct. Rain of Blows is 2 to 4 attacks.</p><p></p><p>But now that the indentation has been clarified, I don't see any way to read this so that it maxes out at 3 attacks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JoeNotCharles, post: 4811742, member: 79945"] You know what? After reading up on the power more, I've changed my mind. PHB2, page 218: p219: PHB, p79: (Had to use .'s cause the board keeps removing my indentation.) This is as clear as any of the multi-attack powers are (that is, not very): make two attacks. If you hit, do 1[W] + Strength modifier damage and make a secondary attack. (We're assuming here the character is using the right weapon and has enough Dex.) So when there are two attacks, what does "if you hit" mean? The only possible ways I can see to read this that fit the rules are: 1. Make two attack rolls. If [i]one or both[/i] hit, the whole attack counts as a hit, so do 1[W] + Strength modifier damage and make a secondary attack. If [i]neither[/i] hit, the whole attack counts as a miss. 2. Make two attack rolls. If [i]both[/i] hit, the whole attack counts as a hit, so do 1[W] + Strength modifier damage and make a secondary attack. If [i]one or both[/i] miss, the whole attack counts as a miss. 3. Make two separate attacks. [i]For each one[/i], if it hits, do 1[W] + Strength modifier damage and make a secondary attack. But there's no reading of the rules that lets you do damage but not make a secondary attack. If you think you only get one secondary attack, than you can only do damage once too. Interpretation 2 is obviously crazy, since it makes a power that's actually worse than a basic attack. So we're left with interpretation 1 or 3. Now compare Twin Strike (PHB, p105): Notice the Hit: line clearly says "per attack". In Rain of Blows, the hit line doesn't say that. So Interpretation 1 is correct. Rain of Blows is really 1 or 2 attacks: the first one gets two attack rolls, keeping the higher, and if that hits you get a second attack. Or you can say that they just forgot to write "per attack" on the hit line, and Interpretation 3 is correct. Rain of Blows is 2 to 4 attacks. But now that the indentation has been clarified, I don't see any way to read this so that it maxes out at 3 attacks. [/QUOTE]
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