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<blockquote data-quote="TwoHeadsBarking" data-source="post: 4861065" data-attributes="member: 82251">Just making sure I understand you, are you saying that if Training replaces Proficiency, then the spiked chain will permanently gain the light blade and double weapon rules?&nbsp; Does this mean that someone who's not proficient with the chain can use it as a light blade, just like someone who's not proficient with a rapier can use that as a light blade?Out of curiosity, is this an issue that is currently present in the rules, or does this only arise if Weapon Training replaces Weapon Proficiency?&nbsp; I guess what I'm really asking is that whether you think it is currently legal to enchant a spiked chain with a light blade only enchant.&nbsp;Well, it helps that I don't think it technically becomes a light blade when you take the feat.&nbsp; I see it as you become so skilled with it that you can use both ends at once, or make attacks of a light blade nature with it.&nbsp; The chain always had the potential to be used as a light blade or a double weapon, but it takes someone willing to devote enough practice to it (i.e. someone willing to take the feat) to learn how to use it as more than a flail.In response to ryryguy, who's actually discussing the proposal (fancy that):Does that mean that you spend a normal feat to get the Training bonuses, but you can't take the power swap feats later?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwoHeadsBarking, post: 4861065, member: 82251"] Just making sure I understand you, are you saying that if Training replaces Proficiency, then the spiked chain will permanently gain the light blade and double weapon rules? Does this mean that someone who's [I]not[/I] proficient with the chain can use it as a light blade, just like someone who's not proficient with a rapier can use that as a light blade? Out of curiosity, is this an issue that is currently present in the rules, or does this only arise if Weapon Training replaces Weapon Proficiency? I guess what I'm really asking is that whether you think it is currently legal to enchant a spiked chain with a light blade only enchant. Well, it helps that I don't think it technically becomes a light blade when you take the feat. I see it as you become so skilled with it that you can use both ends at once, or make attacks of a light blade nature with it. The chain always had the potential to be used as a light blade or a double weapon, but it takes someone willing to devote enough practice to it (i.e. someone willing to take the feat) to learn how to use it as more than a flail. In response to ryryguy, who's actually discussing the proposal (fancy that): Does that mean that you spend a normal feat to get the Training bonuses, but you can't take the power swap feats later? [/QUOTE]

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