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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5809548" data-attributes="member: 7006">KarinsDad explains it quite well.  In the current 4E hit point paradigm... all it takes is a single 6 hour rest to remove ALL effects of being hurt.  No matter how you interpret hit points, or healing surges or death saves... 6 hours of rest and a 4E PC is perfectly fine.  No need for magic, no need for Heal checks, no need for long-term bedrest, no need for anything which might imply the PC suffered anything more than just fatigue and exhaustion (except for that 3rd failed death save).Obviously, this paradigm will have people who are completely fine with it, and others who will hate it with a passion.So the real question going forward comes down to this:Which side of the paradigm gets to be "base" and which side then has to be the "module"?  I really think it'll end up having to be one or the other, because I suspect any attempt to design a whole new set of rules which put both sides together into a combined "base" will only bother people more than picking one side over the other.KarinsDad's rule works rather well I think.  And in any other situation or 3rd party ruleset, it would be a good change.  I just think that there will be more pushback by everybody on a compromised healing mechanic, instead of one side getting their base and the other side just having to accept their preferred style as an add-on module.</blockquote>