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<blockquote data-quote="Zelda Themelin" data-source="post: 5796719" data-attributes="member: 167"><p>I never had change to play 4th edition. I don't like the system for it's feel, so I never consider running it. Mostly because lack of magical feel which is more than rules, coming from how utterly boringly those books were written.</p><p></p><p>I could play however. Though, that said it's not game of D&D. Heck Palladium is more game of D&D than 4th edition. Mechanics have departed too far, too many things got deleted. I do like book of nine swords mechanics, and it doesn't feel like D&D either, really, but that is something I'd like D&D to be.</p><p></p><p>I don't like 4th edition on-line thing at all. I own like 20 books of it, all pretty much useless now. Essentials feel more whole game what I've been hearing about it. I dont' care how cool 5th edition will be, if it's online monthly pay plus books good bye.</p><p></p><p>My favourite system would have lot of monsters/items/spell-like thingies, but it would be much more simple system than current ones. Pathfinder still has too much skills, skill groups would work better. Feats are too micro. They should do more. There is too much base classes in pathfinder. They don't do prestige classes, which would be far more useful than numerous base classes. Rules of tweaking base classes without some pre-done kit/set would be great.</p><p></p><p>Magic would be better with some space "examples" and research rules. "How to craft your own spell rule that is". And no Vancian magic as it is now. </p><p></p><p>I play lot of high level games and character sheets, especially even pathfinder become way too long with abilities that don't matter anymore because well they were pre-reqs etc. They take room, and make harder to spot relevant ones. </p><p></p><p>I think 4th edition changed too many things, but not all the right ones.</p><p>And Pathfinder changed too little things, and some things they tweaked well, and some are more like annoying "why".</p><p></p><p>For Golarion, it's well written, interesting setting, but way too fantasy-europe/east to my tastes. What else, too direct borrowings from other things, like lovecraft. Monsters with names like "hounds of tindalos" makes me think some quite other universe. Setting should localize more than it does, these borrowing elements. It does some, but some slip though unedited.</p><p></p><p>I agree on adolescent-horror-grimdark. And some mythology bothered me very much. LIke, let's take my favourite example. Asmodeus is quite misogynistic god. It says so in books, many times his attitude toward "weaker sex". Then let's see, there is Cheliax with Queen/Priestess of Asmodeous as ruler. That doesn't support the idea about god that well. In universe where those thing are real, they should reflect into politics and laws. You don't do that on mythology and continue it being politically correct. Sheesh.</p><p></p><p>This is not only place where something is like something and then political correctness strikes. It also is "ooh, look we said something kinky-evil in our back-story" but no worries kiddies there is nothing sex related in actual gaming, Or if where is it's nasty undead-abomination-thingies that are so grim-dark you dismiss it.</p><p>In other words Golarion adult themes are for most part really half-assed.</p><p>And some of nastiness/horror can still be too much for people (I know few):</p><p></p><p>But naturally Pathfinder system can be used for any rpg world. I kinda dig Golarion, kinda not myself. Pathfinder also have material made by third parties. So if you don't like Golarion there is material out there for those who don't have homebrew universe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zelda Themelin, post: 5796719, member: 167"] I never had change to play 4th edition. I don't like the system for it's feel, so I never consider running it. Mostly because lack of magical feel which is more than rules, coming from how utterly boringly those books were written. I could play however. Though, that said it's not game of D&D. Heck Palladium is more game of D&D than 4th edition. Mechanics have departed too far, too many things got deleted. I do like book of nine swords mechanics, and it doesn't feel like D&D either, really, but that is something I'd like D&D to be. I don't like 4th edition on-line thing at all. I own like 20 books of it, all pretty much useless now. Essentials feel more whole game what I've been hearing about it. I dont' care how cool 5th edition will be, if it's online monthly pay plus books good bye. My favourite system would have lot of monsters/items/spell-like thingies, but it would be much more simple system than current ones. Pathfinder still has too much skills, skill groups would work better. Feats are too micro. They should do more. There is too much base classes in pathfinder. They don't do prestige classes, which would be far more useful than numerous base classes. Rules of tweaking base classes without some pre-done kit/set would be great. Magic would be better with some space "examples" and research rules. "How to craft your own spell rule that is". And no Vancian magic as it is now. I play lot of high level games and character sheets, especially even pathfinder become way too long with abilities that don't matter anymore because well they were pre-reqs etc. They take room, and make harder to spot relevant ones. I think 4th edition changed too many things, but not all the right ones. And Pathfinder changed too little things, and some things they tweaked well, and some are more like annoying "why". For Golarion, it's well written, interesting setting, but way too fantasy-europe/east to my tastes. What else, too direct borrowings from other things, like lovecraft. Monsters with names like "hounds of tindalos" makes me think some quite other universe. Setting should localize more than it does, these borrowing elements. It does some, but some slip though unedited. I agree on adolescent-horror-grimdark. And some mythology bothered me very much. LIke, let's take my favourite example. Asmodeus is quite misogynistic god. It says so in books, many times his attitude toward "weaker sex". Then let's see, there is Cheliax with Queen/Priestess of Asmodeous as ruler. That doesn't support the idea about god that well. In universe where those thing are real, they should reflect into politics and laws. You don't do that on mythology and continue it being politically correct. Sheesh. This is not only place where something is like something and then political correctness strikes. It also is "ooh, look we said something kinky-evil in our back-story" but no worries kiddies there is nothing sex related in actual gaming, Or if where is it's nasty undead-abomination-thingies that are so grim-dark you dismiss it. In other words Golarion adult themes are for most part really half-assed. And some of nastiness/horror can still be too much for people (I know few): But naturally Pathfinder system can be used for any rpg world. I kinda dig Golarion, kinda not myself. Pathfinder also have material made by third parties. So if you don't like Golarion there is material out there for those who don't have homebrew universe. [/QUOTE]
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