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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 5796817" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>I'm not really sure what your point is? Are you saying that it is not a surprise that Pathfinder feels more like classic/traditional D&D than 4E because it is a 3.x clone? I'm fully cognizant of that; part of what I was saying was just that, and that I didn't realize that I missed these elements until I looked more deeply into Pathfinder again and, concurrently, didn't realize how far 4E had moved away from those traditional elements.</p><p></p><p>So again, I am not making a value judgement of better or worse--at least not beyond personal preference--but to say that it seems to me more clearly now that Pathfinder and 4E present two different streams in the D&D lineage, and that Pathfinder is closer to the core lineage, with 4E being more of a "cousin" within the larger family. What has struck me is that I realized, upon re-investigating Pathfinder, that I'm more of a traditionalist than I thought, at least in many of the ways that Pathfinder and 4E differ.</p><p></p><p>If I was to pinpoint any one element as key to this it is that 4E feels like a further level of removal of the player from the character than other forms of D&D, that the operation of the character is more like a chess-pieced (or a video game avatar) than other forms of D&D. This is exemplified by powers, which are akin to "game moves."</p><p></p><p>[MENTION=463]S'mon[/MENTION], I hear you about "adolescent-horror-grimdark" but this is hardly unique to Paizo and 4E's vibe isn't really any different. I've never run a pre-published setting and never plan on it--I enjoy world building too much, perhaps even more than gaming itself--but I do love setting material and purchase a ton of it. That said, I like Golarion but no more or less than, say, the Forgotten Realms or Eberron or Greyhawk.</p><p></p><p>And just to be clear: I don't find Pathfinder to be my "perfect edition of choice" - there is no such thing, of course, but from the sounds of it 5E will be as close as I've seen. But again, it is closer to the core tradition that I love, which is why I'm giving props.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 5796817, member: 59082"] I'm not really sure what your point is? Are you saying that it is not a surprise that Pathfinder feels more like classic/traditional D&D than 4E because it is a 3.x clone? I'm fully cognizant of that; part of what I was saying was just that, and that I didn't realize that I missed these elements until I looked more deeply into Pathfinder again and, concurrently, didn't realize how far 4E had moved away from those traditional elements. So again, I am not making a value judgement of better or worse--at least not beyond personal preference--but to say that it seems to me more clearly now that Pathfinder and 4E present two different streams in the D&D lineage, and that Pathfinder is closer to the core lineage, with 4E being more of a "cousin" within the larger family. What has struck me is that I realized, upon re-investigating Pathfinder, that I'm more of a traditionalist than I thought, at least in many of the ways that Pathfinder and 4E differ. If I was to pinpoint any one element as key to this it is that 4E feels like a further level of removal of the player from the character than other forms of D&D, that the operation of the character is more like a chess-pieced (or a video game avatar) than other forms of D&D. This is exemplified by powers, which are akin to "game moves." [MENTION=463]S'mon[/MENTION], I hear you about "adolescent-horror-grimdark" but this is hardly unique to Paizo and 4E's vibe isn't really any different. I've never run a pre-published setting and never plan on it--I enjoy world building too much, perhaps even more than gaming itself--but I do love setting material and purchase a ton of it. That said, I like Golarion but no more or less than, say, the Forgotten Realms or Eberron or Greyhawk. And just to be clear: I don't find Pathfinder to be my "perfect edition of choice" - there is no such thing, of course, but from the sounds of it 5E will be as close as I've seen. But again, it is closer to the core tradition that I love, which is why I'm giving props. [/QUOTE]
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