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<blockquote data-quote="Luce" data-source="post: 6058473" data-attributes="member: 29760">Talking about 3e.I did write IME (in my experience). I did not see&nbsp; in 2e people getting out source books to show the DM his is wrong. On&nbsp; the other hand despite what 3e DMG states about &quot;This may be an official&nbsp; setting, but it is my game&quot; I distinctively remember players referring&nbsp; to setting wikis and the (then) DM accepting the correction.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; But&nbsp; in a way that is my point, some people do play by changing the rules to&nbsp; make their game better. It is just that for a long time, me personally&nbsp; and others who I gamed with were led to believieve by the clean up rules&nbsp; that there is one and only one way to play the game. RAW. It is clearly&nbsp; fallowing on my part that I did not notice this sooner, but the way the&nbsp; books are written there is a clear set expectations. By that level you&nbsp; have to be this tall to adventure, have so much magic items, access to&nbsp; such and such spells and resources and so on. That is fine, but not&nbsp; everyone abides to those expectations. Even if you play by RAW,&nbsp; depending on the permitted source books, balances and experiences&nbsp; between groups can vary. Furthermore,&nbsp; one of the distinct feature of 3e&nbsp; is the 3pp. Many of the 3e groups I had experience with, did indeed&nbsp; adopt rules and materials from one or more 3 party sources in their games.In&nbsp; the end that created games that are balanced within themselves, but not&nbsp; universally so across the gamespace. And that is fine as long as there&nbsp; is fun to be had.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Luce, post: 6058473, member: 29760"] Talking about 3e. I did write IME (in my experience). I did not see in 2e people getting out source books to show the DM his is wrong. On the other hand despite what 3e DMG states about "This may be an official setting, but it is my game" I distinctively remember players referring to setting wikis and the (then) DM accepting the correction. But in a way that is my point, some people do play by changing the rules to make their game better. It is just that for a long time, me personally and others who I gamed with were led to believieve by the clean up rules that there is one and only one way to play the game. RAW. It is clearly fallowing on my part that I did not notice this sooner, but the way the books are written there is a clear set expectations. By that level you have to be this tall to adventure, have so much magic items, access to such and such spells and resources and so on. That is fine, but not everyone abides to those expectations. Even if you play by RAW, depending on the permitted source books, balances and experiences between groups can vary. Furthermore, one of the distinct feature of 3e is the 3pp. Many of the 3e groups I had experience with, did indeed adopt rules and materials from one or more 3 party sources in their games. In the end that created games that are balanced within themselves, but not universally so across the gamespace. And that is fine as long as there is fun to be had. [/QUOTE]

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