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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6127267" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Sure, but I am more interested in whether you consider them to be or not to be dis-empowering for the DM. I can understand if you personally prefer them, or your table has no issues with them but that doesn't speak to wether they are or are not dis-empowering.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is exactly the sort of things I've seen as well. But unlike you I've experienced, on other sites, it being alot more common and ingrained in the 4e community than you seem to think it is. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure I agree with the premise here... I think the restrictions 4e has don't matter to a particular group of people who enjoy 4e (In the same way someone who has Pathfinder as their preferred game may find 4e's restrictions distatsteful but 3.x/PF's restrictions something they can enjoy or work with.). It's not just about power level (though 4e has issues in this area as well "wizard with an uber Arcana skill and certain cantrips I'm looking at you", there's also story elements (Say as a DM my campaign world doesn't have psionics... but in 4e a psionicist is core and allowable if the player wants to play one, so...) this is, IMO, DM dis-empowerment regardless of whether psionics is overpowered or not.</p><p></p><p>I've also seen players, when things turn against them, start to grumble and make snide remarks or question DM's about whether an encounter is "appropriate". In fact I will say I've seen this more often in 4e games than in 3.x games... of course I admit that's purely anecdotal evidence. A better question I think is why is this even coming up if a DM has the right to set the encounters at any level he wants?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6127267, member: 48965"] Sure, but I am more interested in whether you consider them to be or not to be dis-empowering for the DM. I can understand if you personally prefer them, or your table has no issues with them but that doesn't speak to wether they are or are not dis-empowering. This is exactly the sort of things I've seen as well. But unlike you I've experienced, on other sites, it being alot more common and ingrained in the 4e community than you seem to think it is. I'm not sure I agree with the premise here... I think the restrictions 4e has don't matter to a particular group of people who enjoy 4e (In the same way someone who has Pathfinder as their preferred game may find 4e's restrictions distatsteful but 3.x/PF's restrictions something they can enjoy or work with.). It's not just about power level (though 4e has issues in this area as well "wizard with an uber Arcana skill and certain cantrips I'm looking at you", there's also story elements (Say as a DM my campaign world doesn't have psionics... but in 4e a psionicist is core and allowable if the player wants to play one, so...) this is, IMO, DM dis-empowerment regardless of whether psionics is overpowered or not. I've also seen players, when things turn against them, start to grumble and make snide remarks or question DM's about whether an encounter is "appropriate". In fact I will say I've seen this more often in 4e games than in 3.x games... of course I admit that's purely anecdotal evidence. A better question I think is why is this even coming up if a DM has the right to set the encounters at any level he wants? [/QUOTE]
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