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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 6127617" data-attributes="member: 463"><p>Stuff is disempowering for the GM when it tells the players "Your GM must do this". GM-facing advice is not disempowering IME. I find the Wish List idea really stupid and don't use it. If the 4e PHB said "Your GM will hand out X items per level" then that would be disempowering. As it is (stupid) suggestion in the DMG, it is not disempowering IMO. Likewise the books don't say "Your GM will allow anything" so it's not the books' fault if some player expects that.</p><p></p><p>One thing I find disempowering about 4e that is not in your list relates to magic items and the electronic character builder. The builder leads players to expect that any item I hand out is in the builder. Some players get really discombobulated at the idea of GM-created magic items that cannot be selected in the builder. Having the magic items be in player-side books like PHB likely contributes to that.</p><p></p><p>Conversely I find the 4e monster creation system is very empowering for the GM, it gives me all the flexibility I need, and support at least equal to pre-3e, better in some ways. It is a very welcome change from the nightmare of 3e monster build-as-PC-build.</p><p></p><p>Overall, I don't find irrational expectations of some players on bulletin boards to be objectively disempowering, only player-facing materials in the actual rules have the potential to be disempowering. 4e has a bit of that, but not a lot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 6127617, member: 463"] Stuff is disempowering for the GM when it tells the players "Your GM must do this". GM-facing advice is not disempowering IME. I find the Wish List idea really stupid and don't use it. If the 4e PHB said "Your GM will hand out X items per level" then that would be disempowering. As it is (stupid) suggestion in the DMG, it is not disempowering IMO. Likewise the books don't say "Your GM will allow anything" so it's not the books' fault if some player expects that. One thing I find disempowering about 4e that is not in your list relates to magic items and the electronic character builder. The builder leads players to expect that any item I hand out is in the builder. Some players get really discombobulated at the idea of GM-created magic items that cannot be selected in the builder. Having the magic items be in player-side books like PHB likely contributes to that. Conversely I find the 4e monster creation system is very empowering for the GM, it gives me all the flexibility I need, and support at least equal to pre-3e, better in some ways. It is a very welcome change from the nightmare of 3e monster build-as-PC-build. Overall, I don't find irrational expectations of some players on bulletin boards to be objectively disempowering, only player-facing materials in the actual rules have the potential to be disempowering. 4e has a bit of that, but not a lot. [/QUOTE]
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