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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6127847" data-attributes="member: 6696971">On expectations of DM-empowerment and the implications on player-entitlement.&nbsp; This is all pretty intuitive to me but apparently its not a logical inference and requires written text to underscore it so some greater cultural movement of over-expectant players doesn't co-opt the table dynamic:Do we really need rules advice that says &quot;man up and put your foot down when necessary?&quot;&nbsp; That would seem implicit.&nbsp; If an edition with lots of cool stuff player-side didn't have such text actually penned out would that then qualify it as &quot;the edition that ushered in the Player Entitlement Plague&quot;?&nbsp; I cannot imagine buying into that as if I did then I would have to force myself to then extend such reasoning to a whole host of other issues that I find equally implicit; don't do something foolishly perilous or negligent and then assume a 3rd party with little to no locus of control with respect to my action must then assume liability for the ill that befalls me.But I suppose its moot because its blatantly spelled out in the 2009 DMG2.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6127847, member: 6696971"] On expectations of DM-empowerment and the implications on player-entitlement. This is all pretty intuitive to me but apparently its not a logical inference and requires written text to underscore it so some greater cultural movement of over-expectant players doesn't co-opt the table dynamic: Do we really need rules advice that says "man up and put your foot down when necessary?" That would seem implicit. If an edition with lots of cool stuff player-side didn't have such text actually penned out would that then qualify it as "the edition that ushered in the Player Entitlement Plague"? I cannot imagine buying into that as if I did then I would have to force myself to then extend such reasoning to a whole host of other issues that I find equally implicit; don't do something foolishly perilous or negligent and then assume a 3rd party with little to no locus of control with respect to my action must then assume liability for the ill that befalls me. But I suppose its moot because its blatantly spelled out in the 2009 DMG2. [/QUOTE]

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