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<blockquote data-quote="Imperialus" data-source="post: 2720307" data-attributes="member: 893">and they were an elite unit up against what were likely draftee Wermarch(sp?) grunts.&nbsp; Remeber the most of the forces on the Atlantic wall were second rate troops or front line troops that had been decimated by the Eastern from and needed some time to recuperate.&nbsp; Anyone that could actually fight worth a darn was over fighting the Russians.Oh back to my earlier post.&nbsp; There is a 4th method though it is likely one of the worst and that is the traditonal fudal army Ca. the hundred years war.&nbsp; There are a few big problems with such an army but it continues to make appearances in fantasy literature dispite those, the difficulties simply being hand waved away.&nbsp; First of all there is very little organization or coheasion among various groups in an army.&nbsp; A lord will be required to raise a cirten number of troops when called but these numbers can vary widely depending on the lord in question.&nbsp; This makes it almost impossible to organize the army into any kind of &quot;units&quot; since really they are simply under the command of their lord which may range in size from a few dozen to several hundred warriors.&nbsp; The lack of training between the units and the egos of the commanders would turn any battlefield into anarchy worse than a simple charge and allow for even less magical support than my first example.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imperialus, post: 2720307, member: 893"] and they were an elite unit up against what were likely draftee Wermarch(sp?) grunts. Remeber the most of the forces on the Atlantic wall were second rate troops or front line troops that had been decimated by the Eastern from and needed some time to recuperate. Anyone that could actually fight worth a darn was over fighting the Russians. Oh back to my earlier post. There is a 4th method though it is likely one of the worst and that is the traditonal fudal army Ca. the hundred years war. There are a few big problems with such an army but it continues to make appearances in fantasy literature dispite those, the difficulties simply being hand waved away. First of all there is very little organization or coheasion among various groups in an army. A lord will be required to raise a cirten number of troops when called but these numbers can vary widely depending on the lord in question. This makes it almost impossible to organize the army into any kind of "units" since really they are simply under the command of their lord which may range in size from a few dozen to several hundred warriors. The lack of training between the units and the egos of the commanders would turn any battlefield into anarchy worse than a simple charge and allow for even less magical support than my first example. [/QUOTE]

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