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<blockquote data-quote="Art Waring" data-source="post: 9376012" data-attributes="member: 7037141">Those are some good thoughts on the subject, thank you for your contribution.I think they are underselling Nightshade because it is still brand new, and will need further development in order to become even more effective. I agree that more widespread measures will be needed, but in the meantime there are zero protections for artists, and this is the best we have ATM. For the moment, Nightshade (NS) is not &quot;enough&quot; in terms of achieving some kind of widespread poisoning of datasets, but what it will achieve is a gradual decrease in available artwork for data scrapers to vacuum up in the long term. Currently scientists working on ai are predicting that gen-ai will run out of data to train on by as early as 2026. The constant need for new data means that eventually there won't be enough to train on (assuming artists adopt NS en masse). The more artists that use NS, the more that opt-out and protect their work, the less likely that they will be able to keep training models on stolen data.Without artists to steal from, there will be no new models, and the current state of affairs will stagnate. Eventually gen-ai tools will become fodder for fiverr &quot;artists,&quot; while real artists will continue to work once gen-ai can no longer steal their works wholesale.The most ironic part of all of this, is OpenAI is worth 100 Billion dollars (yup, billions), with that worth propped up by gen-ai. They can afford to pay artists the world over for their work, but they are literally pleading poverty (&quot;we can't afford to pay for training data, but we are worth billions&quot;).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Art Waring, post: 9376012, member: 7037141"] Those are some good thoughts on the subject, thank you for your contribution. I think they are underselling Nightshade because it is still brand new, and will need further development in order to become even more effective. I agree that more widespread measures will be needed, but in the meantime there are zero protections for artists, and this is the best we have ATM. For the moment, Nightshade (NS) is not "enough" in terms of achieving some kind of widespread poisoning of datasets, but what it will achieve is a gradual decrease in available artwork for data scrapers to vacuum up in the long term. Currently scientists working on ai are predicting that gen-ai will run out of data to train on by as early as 2026. The constant need for new data means that eventually there won't be enough to train on (assuming artists adopt NS en masse). The more artists that use NS, the more that opt-out and protect their work, the less likely that they will be able to keep training models on stolen data. Without artists to steal from, there will be no new models, and the current state of affairs will stagnate. Eventually gen-ai tools will become fodder for fiverr "artists," while real artists will continue to work once gen-ai can no longer steal their works wholesale. The most ironic part of all of this, is OpenAI is worth 100 Billion dollars (yup, billions), with that worth propped up by gen-ai. They can afford to pay artists the world over for their work, but they are literally pleading poverty ("we can't afford to pay for training data, but we are worth billions"). [/QUOTE]

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