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<blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 5015418" data-attributes="member: 48520"><p>I'm not the only one to see summoner as a much needed option am I?</p><p>Or a necromancer who's truly badass in the Command Undead + Summon/Create Undead Hordes variety?</p><p></p><p>The fact that you could no longer do so with the core classes was one of the reasons I disliked 4e upon release (it was hard but you could manage it with proper multiclassing and feat selection and if you could take a PrC or 2 even better). I flipped to the mage and thought: "Eww, he's all AoE and damage effects."</p><p></p><p>which is, you know, what they were going for, whereas when I go for spellcasters I rarely want to specialize in AoE and crowd control, instead going for things like polymorph, charm, dominate, geas, summon monster, etc.</p><p></p><p>Paizo's summoner is a bit on the powerful side, but being able to summon monster like that is a needed role. I looked at the Eidolon and it seems cool, though I'd be just as happy with just having the ability to summon something of the appropriate CR and keep it around until I can summon something more powerful. (So a Permanent Summon 1, Summon 2, etc, with greatly expanded lists of options.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sylrae, post: 5015418, member: 48520"] I'm not the only one to see summoner as a much needed option am I? Or a necromancer who's truly badass in the Command Undead + Summon/Create Undead Hordes variety? The fact that you could no longer do so with the core classes was one of the reasons I disliked 4e upon release (it was hard but you could manage it with proper multiclassing and feat selection and if you could take a PrC or 2 even better). I flipped to the mage and thought: "Eww, he's all AoE and damage effects." which is, you know, what they were going for, whereas when I go for spellcasters I rarely want to specialize in AoE and crowd control, instead going for things like polymorph, charm, dominate, geas, summon monster, etc. Paizo's summoner is a bit on the powerful side, but being able to summon monster like that is a needed role. I looked at the Eidolon and it seems cool, though I'd be just as happy with just having the ability to summon something of the appropriate CR and keep it around until I can summon something more powerful. (So a Permanent Summon 1, Summon 2, etc, with greatly expanded lists of options.) [/QUOTE]
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