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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 7447547" data-attributes="member: 23716">Late to the party, but I would like to weigh in a little bit on EK/AT template vs a new class for the Psychic Warrior.  At first blush, I was totally on board with using this model (separate psionics system or not asside); it is the ideal place to start.  What is a Psychic Warrior but a fighter with a psychic abilities added on top?  That is fine as far as it goes, but then I looked back and remembered that, in my experience, the EK & AT don't really cut it as a gish mix in class.  This is no doubt partially because they are purely an add on of one class's abilities (restricted somewhat of course) onto another, and it does not always mesh that well.  For instance, the EK is somewhat restricted to evocation & abjuration spells, but of those, evocation does not really suite a 1/3 caster class that well.  You can sometimes find yourself bringing a knife to a gun fight, so to speak.  The delayed spell acquisition here is really telling.  No doubt my opinion would be higher if we did not have the Paladin and the Ranger as a pseudo-gish class comparison.  They are 1/2 casters instead of 1/3 casters, and, have their own unique spell lists (with some overlap of course) to give them their own flavor.  They lack cantrips, which can further distinguish them from full casters and 1/3 casters, yet, as their own class, they have the chassis to hang unique and flavorful abilities on (smite, lay on hands, auras, etc) that really give them a more distinguished feel and play.  I find myself kind of leaning toward a more paladin/ranger interpretation.</blockquote>

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