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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2713990" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>One does not follow from the other.</p><p></p><p>Just because creatures inside the sphere are nearly weightless does not mean that the sphere can move (outside of caster concentration).</p><p></p><p>It means that they can jump to the top of the sphere easily. It also means that the caster can move them (up to a certain weight) by concentrating:</p><p></p><p>"This spell <strong>functions like resilient sphere</strong>, with the addition that the creatures or objects inside the globe are nearly weightless. Anything contained within an telekinetic sphere weighs only one-sixteenth of its normal weight. You can <strong>telekinetically</strong> lift anything in the sphere that normally weighs 5,000 pounds or less. The <strong>telekinetic control extends from you</strong> out to medium range (100 feet + 10 feet per caster level) after the sphere has succeeded in encapsulating its contents.</p><p></p><p>You can move objects or creatures in the sphere that weigh a total of 5,000 pounds or less <strong>by concentrating on the sphere</strong>."</p><p></p><p>The sphere is still immobile by any other method.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just because you can <strong>move</strong> through the intervening space does not mean that you can necessarily <strong>target</strong> your teleport through the intervening space.</p><p></p><p>"Nothing can pass through the sphere, inside or out, though the subject can breathe normally."</p><p></p><p>The Burrowing Power feat explicitly allows one to go through the Astra Plane to bypass force effects. The Teleport spell does not explicitly allow you to bypass force effects (which disallows anything from passing through), regardless of the fact that it uses the Astra Plane to move you there. Wall of Force does explicitly allow Teleport to work through it. But, Wall of Force is not Resilient Sphere or Telekinetic Sphere.</p><p></p><p>This is an ok interpretation, but it is not the only possible interpretation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nothing of the sort. A given DM can rule this, but one spell does not automatically work just like another unless the spells or rules state so.</p><p></p><p>This is an extrapolation of the rules.</p><p></p><p>Again, this is an ok interpretation, but it is not the only possible interpretation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good point. It would tend to make much of the abuse of the tactic not doable if you have no method of seeing through the Sphere.</p><p></p><p>I think a lot of assumptions about Telekinetic Sphere derive directly from how Wall of Force works (e.g. invisible, teleports work through it, gaze attacks work through it, etc.).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2713990, member: 2011"] One does not follow from the other. Just because creatures inside the sphere are nearly weightless does not mean that the sphere can move (outside of caster concentration). It means that they can jump to the top of the sphere easily. It also means that the caster can move them (up to a certain weight) by concentrating: "This spell [b]functions like resilient sphere[/b], with the addition that the creatures or objects inside the globe are nearly weightless. Anything contained within an telekinetic sphere weighs only one-sixteenth of its normal weight. You can [b]telekinetically[/b] lift anything in the sphere that normally weighs 5,000 pounds or less. The [b]telekinetic control extends from you[/b] out to medium range (100 feet + 10 feet per caster level) after the sphere has succeeded in encapsulating its contents. You can move objects or creatures in the sphere that weigh a total of 5,000 pounds or less [b]by concentrating on the sphere[/b]." The sphere is still immobile by any other method. Just because you can [b]move[/b] through the intervening space does not mean that you can necessarily [b]target[/b] your teleport through the intervening space. "Nothing can pass through the sphere, inside or out, though the subject can breathe normally." The Burrowing Power feat explicitly allows one to go through the Astra Plane to bypass force effects. The Teleport spell does not explicitly allow you to bypass force effects (which disallows anything from passing through), regardless of the fact that it uses the Astra Plane to move you there. Wall of Force does explicitly allow Teleport to work through it. But, Wall of Force is not Resilient Sphere or Telekinetic Sphere. This is an ok interpretation, but it is not the only possible interpretation. Nothing of the sort. A given DM can rule this, but one spell does not automatically work just like another unless the spells or rules state so. This is an extrapolation of the rules. Again, this is an ok interpretation, but it is not the only possible interpretation. Good point. It would tend to make much of the abuse of the tactic not doable if you have no method of seeing through the Sphere. I think a lot of assumptions about Telekinetic Sphere derive directly from how Wall of Force works (e.g. invisible, teleports work through it, gaze attacks work through it, etc.). [/QUOTE]
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