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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 2719223" data-attributes="member: 259">We can switch to the Improved Grab ability if you'd like, but if you do, I claim prerogative for the druid to switch to summoning 1d4+1 T-Rexes.&nbsp; Each of them has a grapple of +30, each has more hit points than the construct, each does (half a point) more damage than the construct, and they can surround, flank, and chew up the fighter.&nbsp; As soon as one succeeds in grappling him, the others can &quot;fight&quot; for the prize, all joining into the grapple.(Hmm, just notice the t-rex gets one attack to the construct's two.&nbsp;&nbsp; Scratch the part about more damage--but still, in total you're almost certainly getting more attacks with the T-rexes).Of course, our druid may prefer to summon 1d3 rocs instead, if the fight is outdoors:&nbsp; each has more hit points, each gets three attacks doing a total of more damage, the grapple score is as high or almost as high (depending on whether the &quot;higher ground&quot; bonus applies to grapple attempts from the air), and the grapple attempt can be done in a flyby attack, making it very difficult for the fighter's allies to join in the fun.&nbsp; With two rocs, the druid is likely to be able to kill twice as many fighters.Granting that apples-to-apples comparisons are very difficult in this case, I'm just not seeing a clear case that constructs are more powerful than summoned critters.Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 2719223, member: 259"] We can switch to the Improved Grab ability if you'd like, but if you do, I claim prerogative for the druid to switch to summoning 1d4+1 T-Rexes. Each of them has a grapple of +30, each has more hit points than the construct, each does (half a point) more damage than the construct, and they can surround, flank, and chew up the fighter. As soon as one succeeds in grappling him, the others can "fight" for the prize, all joining into the grapple. (Hmm, just notice the t-rex gets one attack to the construct's two. Scratch the part about more damage--but still, in total you're almost certainly getting more attacks with the T-rexes). Of course, our druid may prefer to summon 1d3 rocs instead, if the fight is outdoors: each has more hit points, each gets three attacks doing a total of more damage, the grapple score is as high or almost as high (depending on whether the "higher ground" bonus applies to grapple attempts from the air), and the grapple attempt can be done in a flyby attack, making it very difficult for the fighter's allies to join in the fun. With two rocs, the druid is likely to be able to kill twice as many fighters. Granting that apples-to-apples comparisons are very difficult in this case, I'm just not seeing a clear case that constructs are more powerful than summoned critters. Daniel [/QUOTE]

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