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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Solarious" data-source="post: 3062612" data-attributes="member: 27346">First, you can edit your posts instead of double posting, wildstarsearch. Especially if you're quoting the exact same post.Second, a dual caster has to have it's advantages, or there would be no point to playing one in the first place. Your arguement on Temporal Acceleration is irrelevant, because the equivilant Psion would be also able to acomplish that with ease. We aren't arguing the benefits of manifesting against spellcasting, we're arguing straight spellcasting/manifesting against dual casting/manifesting. Besides, Temporal Acceleration is 2 rounds of actions for 6th level worth of equivilant power points => spell slot comparison, 3 rounds for an 8th level slot, and a '10th' level slot for 4 rounds, which is close to Time Stop's average number of rounds. Of course, Time Stop can be Extended with a metamagic rod (which incedentally can be used 2 more times later on down the road), while you'll need a feat and blow your psionic focus to do the same with Temporal Acceleration.Of course, you're going to have to split your feats between improving manifesting and spellcasting as a Cerebemancer, while a focused class can specialize. Psionics rules simply add to the pain because you -need- Psionic Meditation in order to metapsionic effectively, and then any metapsionic feats afterwards. And any metamagics you wanted. And you still need Expanded Knowledge for the best powers in the discipline lists. Oh, and you also need Practiced Manifester/Spellcaster to reduce the pain of ML/CL loss. A straight Psion/Wizard/Sorceror/Cleric/Druid doesn't have this problem, and Wizards even picks up bonus feats (as long as they don't PrC). I note that you don't have a single metapsionic or metamagic. Not a one.And there are plenty of sources out there that can jack up a spell until it makes even blasting spells seem like save-or-dies... or in some instances, there is no save. Against the important part of the spell anyways. To demonstrate, I shall quote someone who has more experience with effective metamagicing than I...A dual class caster/manifester like a Cerebremancer can't do something like this as reliably, or as often, because you not only loose spell slots with which to do this, you also lack the higher level slots that make it possible. Or, you burn through your spells/PPs too quickly and then function at as a lower level spellcaster/manifester for the rest of the day. Minus the feats that you invested into whichever nova tactic you perfer.Also, as a virtual 17th level Psion, you only have a single 9th level power, whereas the straight Psion gets 6. That's a lot of high level powers to give up.For what it's worth, I don't think Practiced Manifester, as written in the Complete Psionics, is legitimate. If you read the wording carefully, it is a clear cut-and-paste job of Practiced Spellcaster. Which means that Practiced Manifester was written without Psionics rules and it's nusances that makes it stand apart from traditional Vancian spellcasting. It's balance is questionable, and leaves questions hanging: for example, the feat says it does not increase the number of PPs you gain, then says that it increases manifester levels for all other purposes. But the bonus PPs you gain from high Intelligence is based on manifester levels... so which is it?</blockquote>

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