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<blockquote data-quote="Drowbane" data-source="post: 5867149" data-attributes="member: 23396"><p>Yes. While a 30th level Wizard casting Fireball is only good for 10d6 and a Psion manifesting Energy Sphere: Fire could be throwing a 30d6+30 fireball. One costs a 3rd level slot and the other costs 30 power points. Psion's advantage appears to diminish greatly when you take into consideration that a "Slot caster" of equal power can usually Meta-feat their spells like crazy... while Psions tend to have difficulty using more than one Meta-feat at a time.</p><p></p><p>So after a couple feats are taken for both of my example 30th level Boomsticks...</p><p><strong>Psion:</strong> metapower (complete psi) + empower + privileged energy (comp psi) could be tossing a 30d6+60 x1.5 fireball for 30pts. Average dmg: 247.5</p><p><strong>Wizard:</strong> Arcane Thesis: fireball + multiple shenanigans feats to keep the slot low - including an Epic Feat + Enhance Spell twice + empower + maximize + twin spell... 30d6 (maxed, twinned) x1.5... without raising the slot much at all, with some interpretatins of Arcane Thesis, this could be throw as a cantrip. Average dmg: 232.5 (averaged Empower's boost) x2 (twinned = two fireballs going off, for those who don't know).</p><p></p><p>My math could be better, there are a lot more ways to boost a Wizard's fireball that I am just not quite remembering at this time... but in short do not feel too bad for the Mage. Granted, he has to spend beaucoup feats to make this happen (I think its possible to get off more than one Psi Metafeat on a power, but I haven't played high level recently enough to remember how), but I've had a lvl 29 Wizard capable of doing 5-digit dmg and still had some crafting feats.</p><p></p><p>edit: "Arcane Thesis: -1 per metamagic applied. Epic Improved Metamagic: all metafeats cost -1, per instance of this feat. Minimum of +1. Arcane Thesis doesn't have this minimum, so could reduce the metafeat costs to 0." Granted, the Psion does "well" with little to no extra feats (see above), but the Wizard who puts his mind (read: feats) towards "BOOM" drives straight into crazytown.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Drowbane, post: 5867149, member: 23396"] Yes. While a 30th level Wizard casting Fireball is only good for 10d6 and a Psion manifesting Energy Sphere: Fire could be throwing a 30d6+30 fireball. One costs a 3rd level slot and the other costs 30 power points. Psion's advantage appears to diminish greatly when you take into consideration that a "Slot caster" of equal power can usually Meta-feat their spells like crazy... while Psions tend to have difficulty using more than one Meta-feat at a time. So after a couple feats are taken for both of my example 30th level Boomsticks... [B]Psion:[/B] metapower (complete psi) + empower + privileged energy (comp psi) could be tossing a 30d6+60 x1.5 fireball for 30pts. Average dmg: 247.5 [B]Wizard:[/B] Arcane Thesis: fireball + multiple shenanigans feats to keep the slot low - including an Epic Feat + Enhance Spell twice + empower + maximize + twin spell... 30d6 (maxed, twinned) x1.5... without raising the slot much at all, with some interpretatins of Arcane Thesis, this could be throw as a cantrip. Average dmg: 232.5 (averaged Empower's boost) x2 (twinned = two fireballs going off, for those who don't know). My math could be better, there are a lot more ways to boost a Wizard's fireball that I am just not quite remembering at this time... but in short do not feel too bad for the Mage. Granted, he has to spend beaucoup feats to make this happen (I think its possible to get off more than one Psi Metafeat on a power, but I haven't played high level recently enough to remember how), but I've had a lvl 29 Wizard capable of doing 5-digit dmg and still had some crafting feats. edit: "Arcane Thesis: -1 per metamagic applied. Epic Improved Metamagic: all metafeats cost -1, per instance of this feat. Minimum of +1. Arcane Thesis doesn't have this minimum, so could reduce the metafeat costs to 0." Granted, the Psion does "well" with little to no extra feats (see above), but the Wizard who puts his mind (read: feats) towards "BOOM" drives straight into crazytown. [/QUOTE]
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