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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1716795" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>Some comments on the fighter/psiwarrior thread set me to thinking:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On the surface, this seems similar to Brew Potion right? No powers of greater than third level, same pricing difference, usable by anyone, etc. Except for one thing: A lot of psionic powers are augmentable. In the PsyWar/Fighter thread, Scion insists that maximally augmented lower level powers are supposed to be the equal of 9th level powers or spells. So, if he's right, the psionics rules let you have potions of 9th level spells. Whether or not this is good depends upon whether target: you powers "target one or more creatures." If not, it seems like Eradicate Invisibility is about the only power that can be put into a psionic tattoo. If it does allow target "you" powers, then psionic tattoos of body adjustment put serious combat healing (10d12 at manifester level 21 for an average amount that is just about equal to an empowerd and maximized clvl 15 cure serious wounds--which of course fills an 8th level slot and is ineligible to be put into a potion) into the hands of non-spellcasters for the first time. (Not that it's necessarily a bad thing).</p><p></p><p>Other items normally limited by spell level--wands for instance--lose that limitation when you apply them to augmentable psionic powers. For instance, you could make a dorje of energy ball: manifester level 20 that would do 20d6 damage and have a DC of 22. That's pretty much like a wand of heightened (8th level) delayed blast fireball at half the price. You can create a manifester level 20 dorje of Energy Ray that will deal 20d6 points of damage on a successful touch attack. That's like a wand of clvl 20 Polar Ray at 1/8 the price.</p><p></p><p>So, am I wrong or do the augmentable powers in the new PsiHB screw up item creation pricing? Do they need to be capped at certain power point costs or should the price use power point cost instead of power level?</p><p></p><p>Also, do you think psionic tattoos can store personal powers? If they can't, what good are they? (I think I counted one non-personal power that could arguably be put into a psionic tattoo).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1716795, member: 3146"] Some comments on the fighter/psiwarrior thread set me to thinking: On the surface, this seems similar to Brew Potion right? No powers of greater than third level, same pricing difference, usable by anyone, etc. Except for one thing: A lot of psionic powers are augmentable. In the PsyWar/Fighter thread, Scion insists that maximally augmented lower level powers are supposed to be the equal of 9th level powers or spells. So, if he's right, the psionics rules let you have potions of 9th level spells. Whether or not this is good depends upon whether target: you powers "target one or more creatures." If not, it seems like Eradicate Invisibility is about the only power that can be put into a psionic tattoo. If it does allow target "you" powers, then psionic tattoos of body adjustment put serious combat healing (10d12 at manifester level 21 for an average amount that is just about equal to an empowerd and maximized clvl 15 cure serious wounds--which of course fills an 8th level slot and is ineligible to be put into a potion) into the hands of non-spellcasters for the first time. (Not that it's necessarily a bad thing). Other items normally limited by spell level--wands for instance--lose that limitation when you apply them to augmentable psionic powers. For instance, you could make a dorje of energy ball: manifester level 20 that would do 20d6 damage and have a DC of 22. That's pretty much like a wand of heightened (8th level) delayed blast fireball at half the price. You can create a manifester level 20 dorje of Energy Ray that will deal 20d6 points of damage on a successful touch attack. That's like a wand of clvl 20 Polar Ray at 1/8 the price. So, am I wrong or do the augmentable powers in the new PsiHB screw up item creation pricing? Do they need to be capped at certain power point costs or should the price use power point cost instead of power level? Also, do you think psionic tattoos can store personal powers? If they can't, what good are they? (I think I counted one non-personal power that could arguably be put into a psionic tattoo). [/QUOTE]
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