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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fnork de sporg" data-source="post: 1362184" data-attributes="member: 4713">Hi guys, I need your help.In the game that I am running the player of the paladin wants to go in to a psionic prestige class of some sort. There was a psionic character earlier but he died a tragic death and that player doesn't want to play the same kind of character twice in a row. But there are some plot elements involving a secret enclave of ancient psions that, while I have not said as such, they feel will be much easier if at least one person in the party were to have psionics.  Of course, there are really aren't a lot of paladin appropriate psionic prestige classes.Also,and making my goal even more esoteric, the paladin's player has expressed a dislike for the Power Points system and wondered if there was some way he could avoid using them, perhaps gaining the psionic equivalent of Spell-Like Abilities.Now, if you know of any such classes, close to any of the things I have mentioned, I would love to hear about them. I've so far only found one, the Sensate from the Call Of Duty pdf paladin sourcebook, which isn't bad. He may like it a lot. But i would like to present him with more than a couple of choices.Now, I'm still interested in pre-existing PCs such as this, but we got together and talked about it, and I used the Class Creation Engine pdf that's floating about out there, and we came up with something that I THINK MAYBE POSSIBLY might be a step towards what we want. Of course I have no real experience with making classes, so I don't really know.We couldn't decide on what psionic powers fit in well, and we ended up making four distinct versions of the class. I suppose they could work as prestige classes for a paladin order, with each prestige class representing a branch of the order. They all mention Vinduil, who is the god of psionics from out of the Psionic Toolkit, and is involved inthe game's plotline, as well as being the patron god of the previous psionic character.Here they are. Please Critique.Champion of VinduilHit Die d10  Class Skills Diplomacy, Concentration, Ride, Handle Animal, Knowledge: Psionics, Psicraft, Heal, Knowledge: ReligionSkill Points 2+IntStrict Code of EthicsNo MulticlassRequirements: Have killed at least one evil psionic creature, Been Companions with Psion/Psychic Warrior for at least a week, Encountered Divine Manifestation of Vinduil the God of Psionics, Divine Spells Lev 1, Summon Mount, BAB +7, Diplomacy 5 ranks, Alignment: Lawfull GoodLev 1  BAB +1  Fort +2 Ref +0 Wil +0 Special:  Lesser Powers 1/day each(Missive, Stomp, Lesser Natural Armor, Empathy)Lev 2  BAB +2 Fort +3 Ref +0 Wil +0 Special: FeatLev 3  BAB +3 Fort +3 Ref +1 Wil +1 Special: Lesser Powers 2/dayLev 4  BAB +4 Fort +4 Ref +1 Wil +1 Special: Feat, Gain New Minor Powers 2/day( Lesser Mind Link, Empathic Transfer, Sever the Tie) Lev 5  BAB +5 Fort +4 Ref +2 Wil +2 Special: Lesser Powers 3/dayLev 6  BAB +6 Fort +5 Ref +2 Wil +2 Special: FeatLev 7  BAB +7 Fort +5 Ref +3 Wil +3 Special: Major Powers 1/day each(Displacement, Body Adjustment, Metaphysical Weapon)Lev 8  BAB +8 Fort +6 Ref +3 Wil +3 Special: FeatLev 9  BAB +9 Fort +6 Ref +4 Wil +4 Special: Major Powers 2/dayLev 10 BAB +10 Fort +7 Ref +4 Wil +4 Special: Feat, Major Powers 3/dayFeat List: (Core Book) Leadership, Alertness, Blind-Sight, Combat Reflexes, Exotic Weapon Proficiency, Improved Critical, Improved Initiative, Mounted Combat, Mounted Archery, Ride-By Attack, Trample, Spirited Charge, Power Attack, Cleave, Improved Bullrush, Sunder, Great Cleave, Quick Draw, 2 Weapon Fighting, Improved 2 Weapon Fighting, Weapon FInesse, Weapon Focus, (Psionic Book) Combat Manifestation, Great Sunder, Psionic Weapon, Deep Impact, Stand Still, Mental Leap, Rapid Metabolism, Psionic Metabolism, Speed of Thought, Psychoanalyst, Inquisitor.For purposes of psionic feats the Champion of Vinduil is considered to have as many Reserve Power Points as their Champion of Vinduil levels -2.Warror of VinduilHit Die d10  Class Skills Diplomacy, Concentration, Ride, Handle Animal, Knowledge: Psionics, Psicraft, Intimidate, Knowledge: ReligionSkill Points 2+IntStrict Code of EthicsNo MulticlassRequirements: Have killed at least one evil psionic creature, Been Companions with Psion/Psychic Warrior for at least a week, Encountered Divine Manifestation of Vinduil the God of Psionics, Divine Spells Lev 1, Summon Mount, BAB +7, Diplomacy 5 ranks, Alignment: Lawfull GoodLev 1  BAB +1  Fort +2 Ref +0 Wil +0 Special:  Lesser Powers 1/day each(Burst, Stomp, Lesser Natural Armor, Call Weaponry)Lev 2  BAB +2 Fort +3 Ref +0 Wil +0 Special: FeatLev 3  BAB +3 Fort +3 Ref +1 Wil +1 Special: Lesser Powers 2/dayLev 4  BAB +4 Fort +4 Ref +1 Wil +1 Special: Feat, Gain New Minor Powers 2/day ( Lesser Concussion, Combat Precognition, Sever the Tie)Lev 5  BAB +5 Fort +4 Ref +2 Wil +2 Special: Lesser Powers 3/dayLev 6  BAB +6 Fort +5 Ref +2 Wil +2 Special: FeatLev 7  BAB +7 Fort +5 Ref +3 Wil +3 Special: Major Powers 1/day each(Greater Concussion, Crisis of Breath, Metaphysical Weapon)Lev 8  BAB +8 Fort +6 Ref +3 Wil +3 Special: FeatLev 9  BAB +9 Fort +6 Ref +4 Wil +4 Special: Major Powers 2/dayLev 10 BAB +10 Fort +7 Ref +4 Wil +4 Special: Feat, Major Powers 3/dayFeat List: (Core Book) Blind-Sight, Combat Reflexes, Exotic Weapon Proficiency, Improved Critical, Improved Initiative, Dwarven Toughness, Giant's Toughness, Dragon's Toughness, Great Fortitude, Endurance, Mounted Combat, Mounted Archery, Ride-By Attack, Trample, Spirited Charge, Power Attack, Cleave, Improved Bullrush, Sunder, Great Cleave, Quick Draw, 2 Weapon Fighting, Improved 2 Weapon Fighting, Weapon FInesse, Weapon Focus, (Psionic Book) Combat Manifestation, Great Sunder, Psionic Weapon, Deep Impact, Stand Still, Mental Leap, Rapid Metabolism, Psionic Metabolism, Speed of Thought, Psychoanalyst, Inquisitor.For purposes of psionic feats the Warror of Vinduil is considered to have as many Resrve Power Points as their Warror of Vinduil levelsAugur of Vinduil (we went through a number of different names, including Seer, Sword-Seer, Captain, Leader, Spy, Moderator, and Mediator. He was meant to be in more of a back-stage, strategixing, facilitator kind of position in the party, I think.)Hit Die d10  Class Skills Diplomacy, Concentration, Ride, Handle Animal, Knowledge: Psionics, Psicraft, Tumble, Spot, Listen, Sense Motive, Knowledge: Religion, Remote View, Skill Points 2+IntStrict Code of EthicsNo MulticlassRequirements: Have killed at least one evil psionic creature, Been Companions with Psion/Psychic Warrior for at least a week, Encountered Divine Manifestation of Vinduil the God of Psionics, Divine Spells Lev 2, Summon Mount, BAB +7, Diplomacy 6 ranks, Alignment: Lawful GoodLev 1  BAB +1  Fort +0 Ref +0 Wil +2 Special:  Lesser Powers 1/day each(Object Reading, Detect Thoughts, Combat Precognition, Empathy)Lev 2  BAB +2 Fort +0 Ref +0 Wil +3 Special: FeatLev 3  BAB +3 Fort +1 Ref +1 Wil +3 Special: Lesser Powers 2/dayLev 4  BAB +4 Fort +1 Ref +1 Wil +4 Special: Feat, Gain New Minor Powers 2/day( Lesser Mind Link, Object Reading, Invisible) Lev 5  BAB +5 Fort +2 Ref +2 Wil +4 Special: Lesser Powers 3/dayLev 6  BAB +6 Fort +2 Ref +2 Wil +5 Special: FeatLev 7  BAB +7 Fort +3 Ref +3 Wil +5 Special: Major Powers 1/day each(Remote Viewing, Sense Undead, Dimension Door)Lev 8  BAB +8 Fort +3 Ref +3 Wil +6 Special: FeatLev 9  BAB +9 Fort +4 Ref +4 Wil +6 Special: Major Powers 2/dayLev 10 BAB +10 Fort +4 Ref +4 Wil +7 Special: Feat, Major Powers 3/dayFeat List: (Core Book) Leadership, Alertness, Iron Will, Blind-Sight, Combat Reflexes, Exotic Weapon Proficiency, Improved Critical, Improved Initiative, Mounted Combat, Mounted Archery, Ride-By Attack, Trample, Spirited Charge, Dodge, Epxertise, Mobility, Spring Attack, Power Attack, Cleave, Improved Bullrush, Sunder, Great Cleave, Quick Draw, 2 Weapon Fighting, Improved 2 Weapon Fighting, Weapon FInesse, Weapon Focus, (Psionic Book) Combat Manifestation, Great Sunder, Psionic Weapon, Deep Impact, Stand Still, Mental Leap, Rapid Metabolism, Psionic Metabolism, PSionic Dodge, Psionic Focus, Greater Psionic Focus, Speed of Thought, Psionic Charge, Run Up Walls, Psychoanalyst, Inquisitor.For purposes of psionic feats the Augur of Vinduil is considered to have as many Reserve Power Points as their Augur of Vinduillevels -2.Scout of VinduilHit Die d10  Class Skills Diplomacy, Concentration, Ride, Handle Animal, Knowledge: Psionics, Psicraft, Tumble, Spot, Listen, Sense Motive, Knowledge: Religion, Remote View, Skill Points 2+IntStrict Code of EthicsNo MulticlassRequirements: Have killed at least one evil psionic creature, Been Companions with Psion/Psychic Warrior for at least a week, Encountered Divine Manifestation of Vinduil the God of Psionics, Divine Spells Lev 2, Summon Mount, BAB +7, Diplomacy 5 ranks, Alignment: Lawful GoodLev 1  BAB +1  Fort +0 Ref +2 Wil +0Special: +10 feet to Move,  Lesser Powers 1/day each(Sense Link, Skate, Combat Precognition, See Invisible)Lev 2  BAB +2 Fort +0 Ref +3 Wil +0Special: FeatLev 3  BAB +3 Fort +1 Ref +3 Wil +1 Special: Lesser Powers 2/dayLev 4  BAB +4 Fort +1 Ref +4 Wil +1 Special: Feat, Gain New Minor Powers 2/day( Clairaudience/Claivoyance Chameleon, Glide) Lev 5  BAB +5 Fort +2 Ref +4 Wil +2 Special: Lesser Powers 3/dayLev 6  BAB +6 Fort +2 Ref +5 Wil +2 Special: FeatLev 7  BAB +7 Fort +3 Ref +5 Wil +3 Special: Major Powers 1/day each(Fly, Ubiquitous Vision, Mind Link)Lev 8  BAB +8 Fort +3 Ref +6 Wil +3 Special: FeatLev 9  BAB +9 Fort +4 Ref +6 Wil +4 Special: Major Powers 2/dayLev 10 BAB +10 Fort +4 Ref +7 Wil +4 Special: Feat, Major Powers 3/dayFeat List: (Core Book) Leadership, Alertness, Iron Will, Blind-Sight, Combat Reflexes, Exotic Weapon Proficiency, Improved Critical, Improved Initiative, Mounted Combat, Mounted Archery, Ride-By Attack, Trample, Spirited Charge, Dodge, Epxertise, Mobility, Spring Attack, Power Attack, Cleave, Improved Bullrush, Sunder, Great Cleave, Quick Draw, 2 Weapon Fighting, Improved 2 Weapon Fighting, Weapon FInesse, Weapon Focus, (Psionic Book) Combat Manifestation, Great Sunder, Psionic Weapon, Deep Impact, Stand Still, Mental Leap, Rapid Metabolism, Psionic Metabolism, PSionic Dodge, Psionic Focus, Greater Psionic Focus, Speed of Thought, Psionic Charge, Run Up Walls, Psychoanalyst, Inquisitor.For purposes of psionic feats the Scout of Vinduil is considered to have as many Reserve Power Points as their Scout of Vinduil levels -2.So, what do you think? What did we do wrong ,which is better, and how are they on balance? Thnx in advance!</blockquote>

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