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<blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1756705" data-attributes="member: 13916">The treant thing is hard to account for, would you put in a lower spell or put in one that will kill the treant even if it makes both saves ? Thanee didnt say he would use a smaller version if the first spell didnt kill the treant. Thanee didnt say he would use a smaller version if the first spell didnt kill the treant.Also the numbers you put are wrong.Average of 8d6 is 8*3.5= 28Therefore the average damage of the spell is: (28+8)*2.25= 81And the average result is (.95*81)+(.05*40)= 78.95But more practically, 95% of the time you spend 12 pps, and 5% of the time you spend 24.This gives an aveage pps expendature of 12.6As for the Hezrou/Elemental I did make an error but so did you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I ran the dominations on a &quot;how many tries until I succeed&quot; calculation.So for the hezrou, the chance of suceeding on round 1 is:(16/20)*(16/20)=.64The chance of suceeding in round 2 is.36*.64 = 0.2304Round 3: 0.0829Round 4: 0.0298Round 5: 0.01075Extended until 99.9% of the probable results were covered.This makes the cost(.64*11)+(.2304*22)+...=17.18The wraith thing I read d8s, instead of d6'sReCalculations:Rogue = 15.21Hezrou = 17.18Treant = 12.6Wraith = 55Elemental :13.75Sum: 113.74Majere</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majere, post: 1756705, member: 13916"] The treant thing is hard to account for, would you put in a lower spell or put in one that will kill the treant even if it makes both saves ? Thanee didnt say he would use a smaller version if the first spell didnt kill the treant. Thanee didnt say he would use a smaller version if the first spell didnt kill the treant. Also the numbers you put are wrong. Average of 8d6 is 8*3.5= 28 Therefore the average damage of the spell is: (28+8)*2.25= 81 And the average result is (.95*81)+(.05*40)= 78.95 But more practically, 95% of the time you spend 12 pps, and 5% of the time you spend 24. This gives an aveage pps expendature of 12.6 As for the Hezrou/Elemental I did make an error but so did you ;) I ran the dominations on a "how many tries until I succeed" calculation. So for the hezrou, the chance of suceeding on round 1 is: (16/20)*(16/20)=.64 The chance of suceeding in round 2 is .36*.64 = 0.2304 Round 3: 0.0829 Round 4: 0.0298 Round 5: 0.01075 Extended until 99.9% of the probable results were covered. This makes the cost (.64*11)+(.2304*22)+...=17.18 The wraith thing I read d8s, instead of d6's ReCalculations: Rogue = 15.21 Hezrou = 17.18 Treant = 12.6 Wraith = 55 Elemental :13.75 Sum: 113.74 Majere [/QUOTE]

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