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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1757886" data-attributes="member: 13916">Rogue, Touch ac 20 (Mage armor,Dex,Ring[+2]), mages needs 11 to hitAverage Damage: 30.24Slots: 2.20 4th and 2.20 Uses maximize rodTreant: Saves on a 20Damage: 90(45)Slots:  1.05 3rd level slots 1.05 Uses of maximize rodWraith:Average damage: 5d4+5= 17.5Slots: 6 3rd levelHezrou: Touch ac (9), Mage missess on a 1, Sr 19 (mage needs 7)Average levels removed: 1.995 per spell"Each negative level gives a creature a –1 penalty on attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, ability checks, and effective level"Doesnt seem to affect hp unless this has changed since the SRD (I vaguely recall something about -5 hp ? Can someone confirm that ?)Ill assume you keep asting enervation until It dies. (6hits on average required to hit)Slots: 6.83 4th levelElemental:By here the maximize rod is used up Along with:9.903 4th level slots7.05 3rd level slotsThe sorcerer has no spells that can harm the elemental at 2nd,3rd, or 4th level. Allowing use of 2nd level slots to cast 1st level spells. that leaves:5th: 4 Maximized magic missiles3rd: 1 Empowered Magic Missile1st&2nd: 16 Magic missiles (6 empowered)Damage:Maximized: 25Empowered: 26.25Slots :3rd, 6*1st, 6 Uses of empower rod.Sorcerer is left with 8 2nd, 1 5th and 2 1st level powers:CommentsThe sorcerer manages to kill everything dead, where as the psion did not using pure damage.The sorcerer does indeed have more left than the psion which used dominate, but only the 5th level slot is significant. The sorcerer's lack of spells is much more of a disadvantage to him than the psions apparent lack of spells it appears from this build.The sorcerer take an average of 16 rounds to achieve thisThe psion takes an average of :10.3 rounds for the first psion14.2 rounds for the second.Interestingly, with the use of meta magic rods the psion seems fairly well balanced so far.Majere</blockquote>

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