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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1555402" data-attributes="member: 5777">For the sheer cost of it? Sure, go for it. It is nice, but then there has to be perks somewhere. Plus, greater dispel is still better in some ways.No, I have seen your readings of it. You read much more than it says, which is unfortunate. There arent a whole lot of ways to abuse it, and the abuses that it has arent exactly major. But, the other thread you were on is much better for this discussion ;/ I am sure there will be errata for it, lets hope they spell it out properly!!!You have to manifest it (spending an action), and then it can only take purely mental actions at a -6 level limit. It is pretty interesting, but I doubt it is overpowered <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> maybe I'll be proven wrong eventually, I shall wait and see.Of course, I have no problem with spontaneous casters being able to quicken. Then again, I have no problem with quickens cost being lowered greatly as well.. it is currently a bit too.. harsh.. in a lot of ways <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Very small area of effect. Also, once you start dumping pp into it then it isnt really a 2nd level power anymore. If you are paying 17 pp then it is equivalent to a 9th level spell/power. I was in another thread where there was a level by level comparison with a few different powers and spells. EM kept its own, pulled ahead sometimes, fell behind in others. Overall though I think it is very good.As you get higher in levels peoples saves tend to increase much faster than dcs. Also, at higher levels spells that just deal damage become more and more useuseless (for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that hp ramp up so quickly). Those two combined make the power interesting. I have yet to see it be overpowering though.Compare it with polar ray (an incredibly weak 8th level spell) and with horrid wilting, both at appropriate pp cost of course. The comparison is actualy very interesting. I am currently useing 3.0 with splashes of 3.5, but if I was to move fully into 3.5 then spell focus would be +2 and there would be no greater spell focus. Done, everything is fine and happy. No need to pull out the nerf bat again <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But it is on par, because the psionics book is a 3.5 ruleset. It isnt horribly unbalanced, it is merely another way to go. Just like if there suddenly appeared an arcane item that allowed one to expend something like focus to get an extra +1 to a spell. Same sort of thing, hasnt happened yet, but maybe someday it will <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> never know.Spending the cash on it is fine, giving up one type of power for another. Especially with such a minor boost in power.You can try to say 8 feats, but it is hogwash <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> First, having to expend focus makes it 'much' worse. Horribly so. The other casters can have their +1 dc, +2 penetration, and extend a spell. The psion says, 'hmm.. if I have focus, which of those three do I want?'. Very harsh.Also, spell focus for some schools is useless. There are some schools where you just dont need a dc boost as nothing uses a dc.So at that point it is more like saying, 'this one feat is worth 5 feats, but it is worse in a lot of ways, and it is comparing it to one of the worst feats in the phb.' Not a very good comparison.Just look at improved toughness, it is worth, potentially, an unbounded number of toughness feats. does this make improved toughness horribly overpowered? nah, it just helps to show just how weak toughness is.yeah, I am leaning more and more towards just making it a skill check. You name how fast you want to do it, and make the check. Right now it is dc 20 for a full round action. Just add on dc 25 for move equivalent, and dc 30 for free action. Without seeing it in action it seems almost perfect <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But, if you say it is too strong, then I think you would be wrong. For the very reasons I stated before.so you think it should be 60k? why?Non slotted items are worth twice as much as slotted items. hence the jump in cost. Remember, the torc does take up a very important slot. That itself is a pretty big drawback.Sure, but since it works no where near the same, and are pretty horrible, then it isnt very comparable.</blockquote>

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